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Ok she will be running these programs

Autodesk
CAD
360 Rendering
Revit
Inventor Professional
Inventor Publisher
Motion builder
Smoke
Maya
Mudbox
3ds-Max
3ds-Max Design
Alias Design
Soft Image
Showcase
Light wave 3d
Massive
Poser Professional
Manga Studio
Adobe Suite CS5
Photoshop elements
Pixologic Z brush 3.5
Corel draw, painter 11
Sketch-up
Rhino
SAI

Now she wants to build a PC to run these programs from home now her school says she needs 64GB of ram and she could just get say a GTX 680 plus a I7 3820 or better.

Now what I'm trying to fined out is 64GB of ram crazy would say 32GB even be overkill. I am also trying to fined out if a say a Firepro W7000 graphics card would be a better buy for what she is trying to do.

Any info would be super great as I have built gaming PC like crazy but this is my first for say work station PC so was looking for a little help as there on a budget but also want to get the best they can get but not go way overkill and bust the budget.
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for starters, its really hard to say how much ram you will need unless you have tried to perform the tasks already on an existing system.

if you have a 16GB ram system and its using all of it, you will need 32.

it really depends how many of those programs you want open and working at once, and how much memory they use. someone familiar with this type of work might provide some advice here.

you WILL want to figure this out before you buy as if you need 64GB your on lga2011 sb-e, but if 32 is enough and you don't need 64GB in the future then you have other options, 1155 ivy and 1150 haswell.

re graphics I suggest you look into NVidia quadro cards aswell, I have no idea if they are better performance than gaming cards for your applications but some people doing a lot of 3d work do buy them for some reason, just saying you should figure out what that is and weigh ur options there.

edit - if I had to hazard a guess, id say they are probably accurate that you need 64GB in this case (a rare example) and that you will be looking at lga2011 hardware. she probably has to have 10 things open at once looking at 10 different versions of something shes creating.
Edited by Jollyburner - 5/31/13 at 9:59am
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Most of these programs actually eat up a lot of ram (while exporting specially)
So yes, you will need 32gb (even 64 if you want to play it safe) thumb.gif

As for the GTX 680, i dont think that's a suitable video card for at least 75% of
that software. I'd say get a workstation-based one (if budget allows maybe a quadro k5000)

As for the most benefit to speed up everything, will come from a raid-based configuration
be it SSD, SCSI, or even regular HDDs
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Well I found this online not sure how good these benchmarks are but may help that's why I'm trying to fined out if the Firepro series is the way to go for this kinda need.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-Maya-2013-GPU-Acceleration-166/


Budget is kinda low not going to be able to go with a K5000 this is why I was kinda looking at the Firepro W7000

I do think I will go with the 64GB of ram on a 3820 as its all budget allows at this point trying to keep this around 2500$ as she is in school but does not want to come home to a PC that cant keep up at all with what she does at school. Now mind you the schools PCs have thousands of dollars more then this has but it would be a start.
Edited by cbr600 - 5/31/13 at 10:44am
post #5 of 20
here check out this thread if u haven't already. I posted an example of a really expensive quadro system to give u an idea of prices, might help u see where u can shave some $$ off your build.

$3000 for 3D / Motion Graphics?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1396041/3000-for-3d-motion-graphics/0_100#post_20085241

the prices on the core components are reasonable, you could do a bit better shopping around. if your target is $2500 you should be able to have a lot of flexibility. if you are trying to get a nice monitor and kb/mouse/sound included it will be a bit tight, since its likely you would want a very nice monitor for this kind of work.
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Perhaps an E3-1230v2 Xeon? The damn thing is like an 3770 with i5 money and uses much less power and I would think would be better for these programs.

I also agree with the Quadro K5000. a 680 would be badly suited for this environment.
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The GPU is by far the most important piece and the most specific to the type of work that will be done on the machine. Esp. with that software list.

 

I would personally go Nvidia Quadro, as high up the line as possible for your budget. This assumes she'll be rendering on the PC. If not, you can get away with a lower-spec WS GPU or possibly even a consumer/gaming card (GTX 570/580 are better than 6XX cards for this type of work).

 

In order of priority, I would spend $$ on:

 

  • GPU
  • CPU/platform (LGA2011 if possible, though if budget is a concern LGA1155 can work)
  • SSD boot drive for speed, 7200RPM HDDs for storage
  • Good quality PSU
  • RAM is easily upgraded later if you want to start with 8-16GB. Especially since RAM prices are artificially high right now.
  • Cooling/case/etc - save $$ here if necessary, NOT on the top 2-3 things since they are more expensive to replace if/when upgrading

 

Letting us know your budget would help us give more specific advice. thumbsupsmiley.png

 
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Originally Posted by She loved E View Post

The GPU is by far the most important piece and the most specific to the type of work that will be done on the machine. Esp. with that software list.

I would personally go Nvidia Quadro, as high up the line as possible for your budget. This assumes she'll be rendering on the PC. If not, you can get away with a lower-spec WS GPU or possibly even a consumer/gaming card (GTX 570/580 are better than 6XX cards for this type of work).

In order of priority, I would spend $$ on:
  • GPU
  • CPU/platform (LGA2011 if possible, though if budget is a concern LGA1155 can work)
  • SSD boot drive for speed, 7200RPM HDDs for storage
  • Good quality PSU
  • RAM is easily upgraded later if you want to start with 8-16GB. Especially since RAM prices are artificially high right now.
  • Cooling/case/etc - save $$ here if necessary, NOT on the top 2-3 things since they are more expensive to replace if/when upgrading

Letting us know your budget would help us give more specific advice. thumbsupsmiley.png

As someone who does a lot of Design work for a living, you took the words right out of my mouth.

I would start with 16GB of memory rather than 8 or 32.
RAM prices are artificially inflated right now, and it sounds like she is still in school, so I don't see her needing 32 or 64 until later(when prices have gone down again)
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Well I think budget is going to be around 2500$ but maybe 3000$ I'm waiting to get final on that but she go's to the art institution of Seattle and the school told her mom to go just get a I7 64GB of ram and 2 TB of storage and a gaming GPU all they told them. I am not sure why they said Gaming GPU other then they said it would save money as workstation GPUs cost alot as we know.

A I7 3820 with a ASUS P9X79 LE LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS
a 64GB 1600 ram kit
2 TB 7200RPM drive
a Samsung 840 pro 128GB just for OS and maybe Maya to run on.
I was looking at the Firepro W7000 for like 750$ but have not got anyone saying that was a good idea even with the benchmarks I linked.
a corsair AX750 power supply
then case monitor mouse keyboard all the extras small stuff CD drives as I would put two

So all this comes out to about 3000$ with out me really deal shopping yet as this build will be done at the end of next month so I have some time to get all the info I can.

I mean if anyone wants to give be a better Idea I all for it there just basing it off what the school said and 64GB or ram there really stuck on as its what they said but maybe if you guys come up with better Ideas I can show them and they will see we can go a little less for now.
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if they said you could get away with a gaming gpu, id look at the sub $600 price range, since if you are getting up higher than that you can easily get a decent quadro card, which is probably better at this sort of work. but im no expert.

what kind of monitor u looking at?

win7 or 8?
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