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Did you ever check your power draw from the wall? anything above 1.370mv in SLI results in power-throttling, and this also happens in single card runs. Maybe i should take out the second card? IDK lol, or it could be that my gaming 770's are not built to go past that.

I did a while ago from stock to 1.33 and think it was an extra 20 watts or something using a kill o watt meter. Need to see if I saved the pic.

I was able to hold a max of 1.480v-1.485v, 1.485 and higher throttled no matter the bios. Could have been vrm temp related. My 1515mhz run was a pain because it would throttle down to 1502mhz, I had to give it the least necessary voltage or it would throttle into the 149x MHz range.

Did you get sky3nt to increase your TDP?. I think that might be my issue. Since i am only using the stock bios that came with my MSI gaming 770's. I'll try his BIOS and see if that makes a difference. I changed mine myself, but i don't think the values made a difference.
Edited by Yungbenny911 - 4/18/14 at 12:45pm
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yep but i have a 770 which i am dissappointed that my 660's were slaughtering it. so i want to trade the 660's for another one because of that performance from sli.

You happen to have any side by side benchmarks of 660sli vs 770 or 780 or 780ti.

My buddy is having a hard time believing it. He gets excited with charts.
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550 watts max unless you are going to voltmod the GTX 770 then i would go with a 650 watts


OK .. what's voltmod, so I know if it's important and necessary ?
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OK .. what's voltmod, so I know if it's important and necessary ?

I cant really explain it that well but i think other users that post often in this thread can explain much better then i can

As far as i understood its moding the BIOS on your video cards
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You happen to have any side by side benchmarks of 660sli vs 770 or 780 or 780ti.

My buddy is having a hard time believing it. He gets excited with charts.

yeah here is the 770 with a light mod oc highest scores for me. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8230798

 

and here is the 660's with a little oc not modded. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8098155

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OK .. what's voltmod, so I know if it's important and necessary ?

 

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I cant really explain it that well but i think other users that post often in this thread can explain much better then i can

As far as i understood its moding the BIOS on your video cards

it it can be bios modding or hardmodding your card to force a higher amount of voltage through the card. for instance i set my voltage to go up to 1.212 in the bios on my gtx 660 but the default is actually 1.187

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You happen to have any side by side benchmarks of 660sli vs 770 or 780 or 780ti.

My buddy is having a hard time believing it. He gets excited with charts.
yeah here is the 770 with a light mod oc highest scores for me. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8230798

and here is the 660's with a little oc not modded. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8098155

Hmmm.... Programs like 3Dmark11/Valley that are very optimized for SLI do not tell the whole story though redface.gif. I did a few tests on actual games to see what it would take for a single 770 to match 660 SLI, and this is what i got.

Tomb raider 1080p Ultimate Settings MSI N660 @ 1293Mhz/1653Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1293Mhz/1753Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1437Mhz/1954Mhz (Click to show)

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The test was done on the same system. The 660's had 320.18 drivers, while the 770 has the latest 337.50 beta driver. At the same clocks, the 770 is a bit slower depending on the game, but clock for clock comparison is invalid due to the 770's potential to OC's much higher than 660's on average. I'm actually surprised by the results myself. The Driver didn't help the 770 because i've always had my 3770k at 4.8Ghz 24/7, and i actually got my best scores on the 320.18 drivers.
Edited by Yungbenny911 - 4/18/14 at 6:55pm
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i already chose 750 ti, because i saw videos on youtube laying BF4 nice, no obvious issues ..
My questions are:

1. should i buy 750 ti, and wait until 780 price go down ?


2. or should I buy 770 for more time ?

Ok honestly the 780 price isnt going to go anywhere near $400 so if thats the gpu you want, just get it now. The lowest it might get is $450 but is that worth the wait and the expense lost from selling a lower end gpu? If its out of your budget the gtx770 still has tons of life left in it. Your only running 1080p but the 770 will still be able to drive high enough fps to put that 144hz monitor to good use. The 780 I think is the overkill 1080p card but this is OCN and we love overkill biggrin.gif Besides that what games do you play? You may not even need the 780 anyways, the 770 might be way overkill for the games you play (sorry if you mentioned it in another post)

It is true the 850watt is also overkill but at that price, why not. Just do some reading on that psu and make sure its a good quality unit, I dont know who evga gets their power supplies from. I personally like to overkill on the psu in case I ever want to sli or whatever, I will already have a good enough psu.

Just to give you an idea, my 2014 nerd box evo with the overclock mentioned I dont recall pulling more than 400watts from the wall gaming on bf4.
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Did you get sky3nt to increase your TDP?. I think that might be my issue. Since i am only using the stock bios that came with my MSI gaming 770's. I'll try his BIOS and see if that makes a difference. I changed mine myself, but i don't think the values made a difference.

On the stock bios I think I was able to do 1467mhz/1.395 (I cant recall, I might have this written down in my notes). It was pushing over that where I needed the modded bios. I used skynets bios but it wasnt any better that the stock one with the TDP raised as far as results. I think I hit the cards limits without further mods, or it could have just been the VRM's getting too hot to sustain anything over 1.485v the whole valley run.

All this talk is making me want to try again at breaking 1515mhz. 10c cooler gpu temps due to ek gpu block, test bench instead of the tj08e with the panel off, hum....vrm still on air though
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Hmmm.... Programs like 3Dmark11/Valley that are very optimized for SLI do not tell the whole story though redface.gif. I did a few tests on actual games to see what it would take for a single 770 to match 660 SLI, and this is what i got. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) The test was done on the same system. The 660's had 320.18 drivers, while the 770 has the latest 337.50 beta driver. At the same clocks, the 770 is a bit slower depending on the game, but clock for clock comparison is invalid due to the 770's potential to OC's much higher than 660's on average. I'm actually surprised by the results myself. The Driver didn't help the 770 because i've always had my 3770k at 4.8Ghz 24/7, and i actually got my best scores on the 320.18 drivers.

Wow a bit surprised to see the 770 pull ahead on some of those scores. So 337.50 didnt help much in those games huh? Sure did wonders for bf4 though, some maps not much, but several I got double digit gains in minimum and average. Not that previously the numbers were low, but free performance is nice biggrin.gif
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yep but i have a 770 which i am dissappointed that my 660's were slaughtering it. so i want to trade the 660's for another one because of that performance from sli.

I had two 650 Ti BOOST in SLI, slight lower than 660 and they outperformed my 770 as well. Consumes less power too.
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Hmmm.... Programs like 3Dmark11/Valley that are very optimized for SLI do not tell the whole story though redface.gif. I did a few tests on actual games to see what it would take for a single 770 to match 660 SLI, and this is what i got.

Tomb raider 1080p Ultimate Settings MSI N660 @ 1293Mhz/1653Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1293Mhz/1753Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1437Mhz/1954Mhz (Click to show)

Sleeping Dogs MAX Settings "HIGH" AA MSI N660 @ 1293Mhz/1653Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1293Mhz/1753Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1437Mhz/1954Mhz (Click to show)

Resident Evil 6 MSI N660 @ 1293Mhz/1653Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1293Mhz/1753Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1437Mhz/1954Mhz (Click to show)

Metro Last Light SSAA Off (Very High) Tessellation MSI N660 @ 1293Mhz/1653Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1293Mhz/1753Mhz (Click to show)
MSI N770 @ 1437Mhz/1954Mhz (Click to show)

The test was done on the same system. The 660's had 320.18 drivers, while the 770 has the latest 337.50 beta driver. At the same clocks, the 770 is a bit slower depending on the game, but clock for clock comparison is invalid due to the 770's potential to OC's much higher than 660's on average. I'm actually surprised by the results myself. The Driver didn't help the 770 because i've always had my 3770k at 4.8Ghz 24/7, and i actually got my best scores on the 320.18 drivers.

For realtime gaming you actually pull a lot more fps with the sli 660's as you tend to have less advanced physx among other features and anything sli will benefit because nvidia is good at getting the profiles out fast for big games. The 770 has the advantage of having a more stable framerate plus, being that its one card, compatibility with everything. So my conclusion is that if you are driving for really good performance and are on a budget sli is definitely worth it(unless you can get the performance in one card for around the same price.). and in price/performance the 660's lead because you can get really good deals and compete with a 780. I also noticed that when modded correctly the 770's quickly jump up to compete with a 780 and with that being said this is the best option if you can afford it as its a newer card which will mean a fresher warranty and that it still hasn't reached its full potential.

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seagate barracuda  seagate barracuda seagate barracuda seagate barracuda 
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this is my list parts:


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($155.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ TigerDirect)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VG278HE 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($372.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($32.23 @ NCIX US)
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers ($74.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1416.13
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-18 05:59 EDT-0400)



i already chose 750 ti, because i saw videos on youtube laying BF4 nice, no obvious issues ..


My questions are:

1. should i buy 750 ti, and wait until 780 price go down ?


2. or should I buy 770 for more time ?

Personally I would put that 750ti in until I could get the 780(or better) since things change fast.
2nd option would be pick up a lightly used GTX 670 FTW as a bridge until the 780
Nice looking build you have got there!

there is a guy in my local craigslist selling two GTX 670's for 240.00 for both of them not each Norfolk Virginia Craigslist
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