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Originally Posted by mikkelzzz3 View Post

Damm the Qnix QX2710 is not availible in my country :/

The Qnix is shipped from Korea and takes ~4 days to get to anywhere you order it to.

Here is my write up on it, with the links that you'll need:
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Originally Posted by Remmib 
27" 2560x1440 120Hz PLS for $317

How you may ask? Qnix QX2710 or Qnix QX2710 (Pixel Perfect for $385)

"Oh, it's from eBay? **** that brah." Relax, relax...let me explain.

It's a PLS panel (which some say is just Samsung's version of IPS), though the pixels are different from IPS monitors. Some also think PLS has better colors than IPS.

From what I've seen most people easily hit 110Hz, if not 120Hz, as long as you don't have a garbage graphics card.

The bezel is of reasonable size, too bad it's glossy though, I'll be painting mine matte black. Also the anti-glare coating on the monitor is quite light and doesn't degrade the picture quality. Sooo much better than glossy if you ask me, and many others will agree.

Mine came with 1 dead pixel and 1 stuck pixel (likely the stuck pixel can be fixed), I ain't even mad though...the pixels are so god damn small it's quite hard to notice it. I don't have any backlight bleed on mine, some people have experienced bleed, but there is an easy fix.

The downside of the monitor is that the casing is cheap, which ain't that big of a deal to me. Although it is kind of annoying that you have to remove the back panel to take off the stem of the mount (if you want to put this monitor on a monitor stand with arms).

All in all, I'm really happy with mine. Definitely recommend it if you're in the market for basically the best bang for the buck/performance monitor you can buy right now. Also, the shipping from South Korea is so stupidly fast...48 hours, how is that possible? If you're worried about a warranty or it dying you can get a warranty from Square Trade for $50 for 3 year coverage.

Feel free to read user's opinions in the huge Overclock.net threads:
- Original Thread
- Overclock Results
- Monitor Club w/ Optimization Guides

TL;DR
Pros:
-27"
-1440p
-overclockable to 120Hz
-amazing colors
-cheap as ****

Cons:
-cheap casing
-possible backlight bleed (though you can fix on your own)
-cheap monitor stand

Edit - read more through the thread and you said you're not a hardcore gamer...so, I dunno...
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post #22 of 89
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He is from Denmark and Danish customer law says you get 14 days of full return right no questions asked
If they wont you can take them to court and be pretty sure to win

Maybe it's not a law in the USA but prety much everywhere I shop will accept a return no questions asked. At least Best Buy, Microcenter and to some extent Newegg is that way.

I return a lot and returning stuff stinks. I would rather get it right the first time.

Just because a problem is minor and only affect a small amount of people doesn't mean that I shouldn't bring it up. I think when someone asks for advice all the options and potential problems should be layed out for them however minor they are.

Why do you assume he is not bothered by it and what is wrong with bringing it up.

Every single review that TFTcentral does they test for PWM flicker and most review sites do so it is obviously an important issue to some people otherwise these review sites would not even bother putting it in there review.

Also most of the new monitors do not have it.
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post #23 of 89
I'd suggest the Qnix QX2710 or Xstar DP2710. They are literally identical aside from the name, so pick whichever is cheaper on ebay.

These are both korean monitors using the same great panels found in the samsung PLS models, with all OSD features removed and a bypass board installed. Said bypass board significantly cuts down on input lag, for those who are unaware.

They're both extremely overclockable, with some users getting over 130hz without issue, and almost every owner getting to at least 96hz.

They are also VESA mount compatible, for those who care.

All of this can be found for about $300 usually.





So, what are you missing compared to "normal" monitors, you ask? Well most prominently, the OSD, if you need that for some reason. I'm assuming anyone who is gaming on one already has a proper video card which can replicate the same features though.

The other major downside is the fairly lackluster stand that it comes bundled with, but with all the money you save with them, you could pick up a nice VESA stand as a replacement and it would still be cheaper than going with a "normal" PLS monitor despite having a higher refresh rate

and less input lag.

Warranty/Customer service concerns are also a valid point, but you can always pick up an additional SquareTrade warranty which I would suggest on any nice piece of potentially damageable hardware from ebay anyway. SquareTrade is pretty awesome for what it is, so don't hesitate there.

The last minor quip is that you might have to open up the panel yourself in order to fix some minor manufacturing issues (off-center panel, or too-tight/too-loose clips causing excessive backlight bleed), or if you want to replace the built in stand. It's a fairly easy and painless process, and I doubt any of the DIY techy types who make up the OCN population would really mind, but it is something to think about.




More info here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1384767/official-the-korean-pls-monitor-club-qnix-x-star/2240
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OP - Sorry I copied and pasted some info from another post I posted which is part of the explanation you need to know the difference in latency gaming and not just advertised Gray to gray response time.

Clearing up PB278Q and VP2770 information that's been said.

PWM flicker effects very small percentages of people compared to the amount of monitors sold it's minuscule. However it is indeed true IF it does effect you, flicker seen or unseen will cause headaches. However I wouldn't pass up a monitor for possible problems that may not effect you as it's a great monitor. It is rare and I've read two people on OCN it did effect.

Back light bleed is so common on ALL monitors and not specific to any signal one. To say one has more black light bleed problems than the other isn't true. I follow the PB278Q, U2713HM and VP2770 clubs and ALL of them have bleed. Naturally Korean monitors are just as prone to this as well. A lot of times you'd have to either try your luck with exchanges until you find one that black light bleed dosen't bleed through black borders while watching movies, desk top, or gaming where it's so strong your blacks wash out.

Now for the real numbers from PRAD that has the most accurate measurements.

VP2770 playing in 'standard' mode PRAD shows small amounts of overshoot. Using 'Ultra' preset VP2770 showed significant overshoot.

PRAD - SOURCE - VP2770 Ultra pre-set 12.4ms
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For fast computer games, the response time Ultra-fast option is intended. Here the measurement protocol shows a strong acceleration. Thus, the switching times are shorter on average to about half, but it also arise significant overshoot. But these are not so strong that they would seriously interfere with play. Thus, this setting is well suited for its purpose.

The VP2770 did better with overshoot in 'standard' mode coming in at 18.6ms.
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The measured brightness profiles show a well-balanced acceleration. These times are just as short selected in the entire brightness range that still caused no significant overshoot. This neutral pattern avoids unwanted image artifacts and is well suited for video.

PRAD - SOURCE - Looking at the PB278Q 22.5ms with TraceFree at 60.

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The measured brightness profiles show a well-balanced acceleration. These times are just as short selected in the entire brightness range that still caused no significant overshoot. This neutral pattern avoids unwanted image artifacts and is well suited for video.

So PB278Q with Trace Free set to 60 is going to be unnoticeable to VP2770 in 'standard' mode pre-set which is actually better suited for gaming. Viewsonic was too aggressive in their 'ultra' pre-set.

If Ultra pre-set causes significant overshoot one is much be better off in standard pre-set for gaming and then it's really coming down to preference as gaming they are darn close. Preference is subjective.

Since you said that both PB278Q and VP2770 monitors are both priced the same where you live, the VP2770 would be the better monitor.
Not even for the slightly lower input lag because the difference from 22.6 and 18.2 would not be noticeable honestly. Not even for the possibility of back light bleed because the VP2770 definitely has a good amount of those too, including Korean panels. But for color reproduction which it does more accurately. Since the VP2770 also included 2.0 USB ports it's already an added feature and your getting more for your money.

Here in the states the VP2770 is priced much higher than the PB278Q or U2713HM and for us it boils down to is if the price difference is really worth it when gaming is really closer than some would lead you to think.

As for other monitors - U2713HM is the one I chose. It's lag is 22.6 ms just 0.01ms difference from PB278Q and negligible. If you want info on the U2713HM just ask.

As for Korean monitors that's up to you and any advice others might give regarding them. PRAD has never reviewed Korean panels and you do not compare the input lag between them as testing methods are different from all other reviewers other than PRAD.

Hope this helps clear up some info.. smile.gif

Edit - noticed this was your first post and thread on OCN......welcome. biggrin.gif
     
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Thanks, and thanks for all the reply as well smile.gif
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Hmm the picture quality for the Qnix QX2710 compared so S27B970D is that gigantic or simular? Because either sure is a big difference in price tongue.gif
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Hmm the picture quality for the Qnix QX2710 compared so S27B970D is that gigantic or simular? Because either sure is a big difference in price tongue.gif

It is going to be the same panel(found by dis-assembling the bezel). The quality difference is going to come down to:

1. The quality of the panel A+ VS A- (potential backlight bleed and stuck pixels not that anyone has EVER seen that in a name brand monitor rolleyes.gif )
2. the controller board and scaler(This is debatable sense the Qnix does not have a scaler so it may actually have less lag at the loss of ports)
3. Build quality is definitely relevant and i do include it sense someone who likes to pay hundreds extra for "name brand" will through a brick if a don't. However this has nothing to with panel quality
4. OSD or On screen display is a factor here as it limits you to adjusting at the OS level. (especially relevant when overclocking)
5. Calibration which is different from 4 in that the Qnix is not factory calibrated. (not to worry as people who have professional calibrators have uploaded profiles for us which can get you very close)
6. OVERCLOCKING is not going to happen on the name brand stuff by much or at all (which can degrade quality at high level ie 120hz)

If there is any other factors any feel free to jump in but all of these can mostly be overlooked at the difference in price. I can say that for all that is listed above i would not pay 4 freaking times the price and lose the ability to overclock.

Hope this helps thumb.gif
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It did. I will buy the Quinx smile.gif
post #29 of 89
Um not four times the price of the QNIX. U2713HM sell normally for $585 and PB278Q as low as $639.

Better stands, no power brick, 3 yr cutomer support, 100% gaurantee your going to get a good one, quality, free cross shipping rather than pay for your own or worse not honoring an exchange. All this adds up.

The U2713HM can over clock to 90 Hz. So the difference between the QNIX and U2713HM is now only 30 Hz difference. wink.gif

Lets stay factual.

Compared to QNIX is preference not really that much better in over clocking and not in anything else like color reproduction with need for outside calibration as well. Each monitor is different so one online profile that works for one person is all wrong for another that Detla values vary.

QNIX is a good monitor and its not as one sided only choice as was presented. So be careful when someone is bringing down another monitor incorrectly to make a point.
     
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So you recommend U2713HM?
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