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Like a Spyder4 Express for $115? That would be fine if its less expensive as a total package with monitor price.

http://spyder.datacolor.com/portfolio-view/spyder4express/

U2713HM is Out of box individually pre factory calibrated for your specific monitor. Includes the color sheet specs in the box for you to see.

Dell's factory calibration is ok, but not great. We re-calibrate all the Ultrasharps for the photography and digital art classes at my college with a spyder (elite 3 I think?) for the sake of consistency and less wasted ink/paper on reprints. Monitors also tend to drift a bit over time requiring re-calibration every so often, although this is more an issue with CRTs and Plasmas.

So with that said, I wouldn't really consider dell's calibrations as a replacement for a colorimeter, but rather a bonus for those who don't own or intend to buy one.

As for the Spyder express, I'd personally suggest going with a pro instead, even if it means dropping down a generation to keep it in-budget. The express is severely crippled software-wise to the point that you might as well just use eyeball adjustments with a couple old style photography balance cards, especially if you plan on owning more than one computer and/or monitor within it's useable lifespan.
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Dell's factory calibration is ok, but not great. We re-calibrate all the Ultrasharps for the photography and digital art classes at my college with a spyder (elite 3 I think?) for the sake of consistency and less wasted ink/paper on reprints. Monitors also tend to drift a bit over time requiring re-calibration every so often, although this is more an issue with CRTs and Plasmas.

So with that said, I wouldn't really consider dell's calibrations as a replacement for a colorimeter, but rather a bonus for those who don't own or intend to buy one.

As for the Spyder express, I'd personally suggest going with a pro instead, even if it means dropping down a generation to keep it in-budget. The express is severely crippled software-wise to the point that you might as well just use eyeball adjustments with a couple old style photography balance cards, especially if you plan on owning more than one computer and/or monitor within it's useable lifespan.

I agree with what you said regarding for photography. 100% very good point. I've never used any calibration tool so you'd know more on that end. I was going for least expensive thumb.gif

Spyder Pro $170
http://spyder.datacolor.com/portfolio-view/spyder4pro/

For OP only using it for multimedia - gaming and blu ray movies though not really required. Though the having a color calibration tool would be nice to have around the house. smile.gif

Edit for the PB278Q I found MeancingTuba's custom setting results pretty darn good. OP page. I realize it can vary.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1311936/asus-pb278q-the-official-2560x1440-semi-glossy-pls-thread
     
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Hmm. Those spyders are a little expensive tho. Would you say I would notice a big difference even tho my monitor ain't for professional use, but just for movies and games?
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Hmm. Those spyders are a little expensive tho. Would you say I would notice a big difference even tho my monitor ain't for professional use, but just for movies and games?

Naw, just eyeball it with some references. If you have some photography cards laying around, great. If not, use this http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

If anything, proper calibration can sometimes make an IPS panel look desaturated and bland, so I wouldn't sweat it too much for non color-critical work. Just make it look good to your eyes (and stay within a reasonable margin of the references I linked above)
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When it comes to the Dell U2713HM, U2713H, Asus PB278Q, and the Viewsonic, I would like to offer my opinion...

We'll, the Viewsonic is apparently already "out" due to cost, which is okay because despite it being a phenomenal monitor, it's not like you are downgrading or anythinglol.

The U2713H is a wide gamut display, and not geared towards gamers AT ALL, so while it's still one of the absolute best looking monitors short of the $3-5K EIZO/etc professional displays, it's not a good choice as I don't know of a single game that supports 10bit wide color gamut output.

That leaves us with the Dell U2713HM and the Asus.

Dell vs Asus:
AH-IPS vs PLS
Equivalent Response Times
Equivalent Input Latency
Equivalent Semi-Matte Coating
96hz vs 72hz max overclock I've achieved across multiple samples, w the Dell being significantly more overclock friendly
The Dell actually has less Black Crush than the Asus in the panels I have used
AH-IPS is IMO the superior panel tech, although PLS is a close second place
Dell has phenomenal backlighting for an LED backlit display, Asus is average
Dell has good OSD, but Asus has more features
Dell has perfected the "typical" monitor stand (I have never once seen a better stand than what you get with the Ultrasharps), Asus is decent but lower quality

If I were looking for a true all in one/does it all monitor, the Dell is the most balanced of the two in my opinion. The Asus is better designed for creative professional use, as it has slightly (as in, so slight that I can not tell a difference) better calibrated results for color accuracy and saturation but this varies so much that there are probably as many U2713HM displays that are better than the Asus than there are Asus better than the Dells.

Out of the box, before using my Spyder4Elite, the Dell was significantly better calibrated, so if you are not looking to buy a good colorimeter, it's the better choice. The Asus had noticeably overblown Blues and a distinct lack of reds. The Dell had a very small amount of excess blue, but green and red were as good as I have seen from an LED (non-RGB-LED) panel.


If you have/are going to have the means by which to properly calibrate the display, then the difference between the two is negligible. I myself prefer AH-IPS to PLS, and feel the latter is due for a refresh or some tech advancement, but this is opinion.
However, if you are not willing or able to get a calibration device at least as good as the Spyder4Pro, then the Dell is far and away a superior plug and play monitor.

As for calibration, I can't recommend anything less than the Spyder 4 Pro, and I personally use the Elite for all the displays I have calibrated. The difference between calibrated and not is significant, with proper calibration increasing every single good aspect of the display while minimizing or removing almost every single bad aspect. It's the difference between a "good" and a "WOW!" display.
After I first got mine, I calibrated everything I could find lol, from my TV's to laptops and even tried to see what the Super AMOLED+ display on my phone is capable of haha. Believe me, even though it's funny, the difference it made with my LG 55" LED-LCD and Samsung 65" LED-LCD TV's is astonishing (LG has full local dimming, Samsung has partial local dimming). The actual contrast ratio is up nearly 2x what it was (calibrated by eye as best as possible), and I can see details in near pitch black areas that I never knew existed before! Skin tones look lifelike, and everything has a true "looking through a window" look to it.

If you spend a fair amount of time in front of displays, a good calibrator is one of the best purchases you can make.


Also, I highly recommend getting 1-2x WG-CCFL lights for bias lighting behind the monitor. It boosts perceived contrast ratio immensely, and reduces eye fatigue to the point it's nonexistent. I have set up Bias Lighting for quite a number of friends and family members, and every single time I've gotten a "woah!". It's the next best thing you can do, to calibration, as it makes every display look better, even TN panels. However, don't use LEDs, and get a 6500K WG-CCFL (search Google to see which of the good ones are available to you), as it's the soft glow in a neutral light temp that helps, which LEDs cannot produce (they have a very sharp cutoff due to their directional lighting, and they are going to be too blue).

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Btw just changed my mind to buy the Asus. According to the review it would perform better if I had a colorimeter. How does these things work, and do any of you know a good cheap one, which I also could use in the future?

Get the Asus from ebay ebay protection and paypal protection
you can buy it in germany for 459 euro or less.
I work with the asus most 20 hour at day and i play with the monitor too.
never had problem with my eyes.
trust me get the asus its more faster then dell and the design its much better.
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When it comes to the Dell U2713HM, U2713H, Asus PB278Q, and the Viewsonic, I would like to offer my opinion...

We'll, the Viewsonic is apparently already "out" due to cost, which is okay because despite it being a phenomenal monitor, it's not like you are downgrading or anythinglol.

The U2713H is a wide gamut display, and not geared towards gamers AT ALL, so while it's still one of the absolute best looking monitors short of the $3-5K EIZO/etc professional displays, it's not a good choice as I don't know of a single game that supports 10bit wide color gamut output.

That leaves us with the Dell U2713HM and the Asus.

Dell vs Asus:
AH-IPS vs PLS
Equivalent Response Times
Equivalent Input Latency
Equivalent Semi-Matte Coating
96hz vs 72hz max overclock I've achieved across multiple samples, w the Dell being significantly more overclock friendly
The Dell actually has less Black Crush than the Asus in the panels I have used
AH-IPS is IMO the superior panel tech, although PLS is a close second place
Dell has phenomenal backlighting for an LED backlit display, Asus is average
Dell has good OSD, but Asus has more features
Dell has perfected the "typical" monitor stand (I have never once seen a better stand than what you get with the Ultrasharps), Asus is decent but lower quality

If I were looking for a true all in one/does it all monitor, the Dell is the most balanced of the two in my opinion. The Asus is better designed for creative professional use, as it has slightly (as in, so slight that I can not tell a difference) better calibrated results for color accuracy and saturation but this varies so much that there are probably as many U2713HM displays that are better than the Asus than there are Asus better than the Dells.

Out of the box, before using my Spyder4Elite, the Dell was significantly better calibrated, so if you are not looking to buy a good colorimeter, it's the better choice. The Asus had noticeably overblown Blues and a distinct lack of reds. The Dell had a very small amount of excess blue, but green and red were as good as I have seen from an LED (non-RGB-LED) panel.


If you have/are going to have the means by which to properly calibrate the display, then the difference between the two is negligible. I myself prefer AH-IPS to PLS, and feel the latter is due for a refresh or some tech advancement, but this is opinion.
However, if you are not willing or able to get a calibration device at least as good as the Spyder4Pro, then the Dell is far and away a superior plug and play monitor.

As for calibration, I can't recommend anything less than the Spyder 4 Pro, and I personally use the Elite for all the displays I have calibrated. The difference between calibrated and not is significant, with proper calibration increasing every single good aspect of the display while minimizing or removing almost every single bad aspect. It's the difference between a "good" and a "WOW!" display.
After I first got mine, I calibrated everything I could find lol, from my TV's to laptops and even tried to see what the Super AMOLED+ display on my phone is capable of haha. Believe me, even though it's funny, the difference it made with my LG 55" LED-LCD and Samsung 65" LED-LCD TV's is astonishing (LG has full local dimming, Samsung has partial local dimming). The actual contrast ratio is up nearly 2x what it was (calibrated by eye as best as possible), and I can see details in near pitch black areas that I never knew existed before! Skin tones look lifelike, and everything has a true "looking through a window" look to it.

If you spend a fair amount of time in front of displays, a good calibrator is one of the best purchases you can make.


Also, I highly recommend getting 1-2x WG-CCFL lights for bias lighting behind the monitor. It boosts perceived contrast ratio immensely, and reduces eye fatigue to the point it's nonexistent. I have set up Bias Lighting for quite a number of friends and family members, and every single time I've gotten a "woah!". It's the next best thing you can do, to calibration, as it makes every display look better, even TN panels. However, don't use LEDs, and get a 6500K WG-CCFL (search Google to see which of the good ones are available to you), as it's the soft glow in a neutral light temp that helps, which LEDs cannot produce (they have a very sharp cutoff due to their directional lighting, and they are going to be too blue).

Hope this helps!

Great post !!
But i think he's looking for gaming and photo so the Asus ,like the review i read, its more faster then the dell. Less input lag.
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Great post !!
But i think he's looking for gaming and photo so the Asus ,like the review i read, its more faster then the dell. Less input lag.

PB278Q gaming latency is 22.5 and U2713HM is 22.6 a staggering difference unnoticeable by 0.01 ms. PRAD's measurements are the most accurate.
     
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I love my Acheiva Shimians which of course use LG IPS panels and only cost me $400 for both from a fellow OCNer but the real reason I went with them is because they look similar to the S27A970D which is just the most amazing looking monitor I've ever seen in person. If you have the disposable funds to get this monitor I highly recommend it...
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