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Staying with Ivy makes sense if you are planning on buying used but why buy last generation when the new generation doesn't really cost much more? Haswell CPU and Mobos cost around what's you've budgeted for Ivy?
 
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Well, amazon sells the hx750 for $118.99, and you could even get it for cheaper on newegg with the +15% off promo code and rebate they're running right now. most(or all) quality made 90% 650w's are at least $110, so there's a good reason right there, if you can get something better for the same price, why not?

 

You're right that it's $118.99 shipped from Amazon.com, but it's $139.99 shipped from Newegg. Sure there's a $20 rebate card making it $119.99 shipped, but you have to wait 1½ to 2 months (6-8 weeks) to receive it after you send in the request form. Until then, it's $139.99 shipped. Now of course, if you use the promo code (which ends on June 8th), then it's $118.99 shipped and then $98.99 shipped after the rebate card finally comes in the mail. However, you have to make sure to select the free shipping option, otherwise you'll be stuck with the $4.99 shipping that they're trying to push on us making it $123.98 after shipping before the rebate card. That's why it just says that free shipping is available. Newegg must've been losing money from offering free UPS Ground shipping on many of their items.

 

The Gold-rated HX750 (as opposed to the Bronze-rated HX750) is based on the SeaSonic G Series from what I heard. The 650W SeaSonic G Series is $109.99 shipped right up front, and as you can see from my breakdown of the power consumption, it has all the power that's needed. Plus, you wouldn't be feeding the Corsair beast that is already overstuffed as it is. :)

 

However, the HX750 does have nicely sleeved cables whereas the 650W SeaSonic G Series only has those relatively stiff, flat modular cables. The HX750 has some of those flat cables, but most of the modular cables are sleeved.

 

If those flat modular cables aren't a problem, then the 650W LEPA G Series can be an even more attractive option at $109.99 shipped because it's then $89.99 shipped after the rebate card.

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I defer to the experience of twocables here, so I don't want this to sound like im questioning your recommendations, but I have seen a few of these what power supply is enough posts and I have a question..

do power supplies still suffer from long term degradation in rated wattage delivery?

because a few years ago when I was buying power supplies I learned all about how they only last a couple years then start to suck. so I think it should be of particular concern for people intending to potentially keep their rig for longer timeframes, ie 3-4 years. while most of OCN community probably doesn't do that, I did way back then.

I think when you are trying to buy a cheap power supply that is quality and the right size for your build that its actually safer to err on the side of caution if you think you might be keeping your computer for a long time, and get 100w more than you need. it really doesn't seem to necessarily cost more for a larger power supply, between 650w and 750w, for example, you might save $10.

so while im not saying that you or others aren't already doing that when you make a recommendation, I just question why it isn't brought up more often how long you intend to keep your rig for. if its 2 years then you will be fine, if its 4 then you want some buffer. afaik bronze power supplies can degrade badly, up to 15% or more, and/or fail, within this timeframe. whereas an overkill gold power supply for an extra $20 will always provide way more power than you need.

so really I guess the core of it is, shouldn't we be recommending 2 different sizes of PSU? cause you can either save or not save that $10-$20 based on your rigs' projected lifespan?
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I defer to the experience of twocables here, so I don't want this to sound like im questioning your recommendations, but I have seen a few of these what power supply is enough posts and I have a question..

do power supplies still suffer from long term degradation in rated wattage delivery?

 

The good quality-made ones don't, not really. This depends mostly on the quality of the capacitors. So the only PSUs that are enough of a concern are the ones that should be avoided anyway. :)

 

 

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because a few years ago when I was buying power supplies I learned all about how they only last a couple years then start to suck. so I think it should be of particular concern for people intending to potentially keep their rig for longer timeframes, ie 3-4 years. while most of OCN community probably doesn't do that, I did way back then.

I think when you are trying to buy a cheap power supply that is quality and the right size for your build that its actually safer to err on the side of caution if you think you might be keeping your computer for a long time, and get 100w more than you need. it really doesn't seem to necessarily cost more for a larger power supply, between 650w and 750w, for example, you might save $10.

so while im not saying that you or others aren't already doing that when you make a recommendation, I just question why it isn't brought up more often how long you intend to keep your rig for. if its 2 years then you will be fine, if its 4 then you want some buffer. afaik bronze power supplies can degrade badly, up to 15% or more, and/or fail, within this timeframe. whereas an overkill gold power supply for an extra $20 will always provide way more power than you need.

so really I guess the core of it is, shouldn't we be recommending 2 different sizes of PSU? cause you can either save or not save that $10-$20 based on your rigs' projected lifespan?

 

The 80+ Certification is almost meaningless. What matters is the quality of the capacitors when considering (or talking about) possible degradation. The kind of PSUs that I enjoy recommending don't really suffer from degradation at all because the caps are just that good. Not only that, but the 80+ Certification (or "the PSU's efficiency") has nothing to do with how much power it can deliver nor does it have anything to do with the PSU's quality. There are plenty of PSUs with Bronze or better certifications that should be avoided.
 

Of course, now the question becomes: "so then how do I shop for PSUs if I have no way of knowing what's good or bad?" That's the problem, and for that reason, I've become as obsessed as I am with making it easier for people to shop for PSUs (thanks to the real PSU experts on here).


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Staying with Ivy makes sense if you are planning on buying used but why buy last generation when the new generation doesn't really cost much more? Haswell CPU and Mobos cost around what's you've budgeted for Ivy?

Well, the Haswell, seems to have similiar problem to Ivy at launch, in which it can't Overclock that well, because Intel didn't figure out hte TIM spacing.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-haswell-i7-4770k-vs-ivy-bridge-4-6ghz-overclocked-gaming-performance/33614.html#ixzz2V0nYiGzx
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Well, the Haswell, seems to have similiar problem to Ivy at launch, in which it can't Overclock that well, because Intel didn't figure out hte TIM spacing.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-haswell-i7-4770k-vs-ivy-bridge-4-6ghz-overclocked-gaming-performance/33614.html#ixzz2V0nYiGzx

 

I saw a few others predicting that this would happen with Haswell (or at least some other problem with the early versions of it), so they recommended to whoever it was to wait until Haswell has been out for a a few months. Intel will likely release a better version a few months or perhaps as much as ~6 months after Haswell's official launch date.

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The Rosewill Capstone is pretty much the best bang for buck PSU in the US

And no it is not a crappy PSU like many like to think it is

Its a rebranded Super Flower Golden Green
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OK, so did some change

CPU Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $329.99
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X60 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $117.99
Thermal Compound Prolimatech PK-1 5g Thermal Paste $9.99
Motherboard Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $239.99
Memory Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $144.99 - Cheaper then the dominator, and I don't like the spiky look on the Gskill or other Corsair one though.
Storage Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $179.99
Video Card Asus GeForce GTX 670 4GB Video Card $429.99
Case Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case $129.99
PSU SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W $149.99

I wanted a Motherboard that also looks nice, but as someone pointed out, $300 for a Mobo..is kind of ridicilious.
If I go this, I can probabely switch to GTX 770 SLI and still keep it in budget
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You got other options then the Seasonic X if you have looked at those?

Like say the Rosewill Capstone
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182264
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OK, so did some change

CPU Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $329.99
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X60 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $117.99
Thermal Compound Prolimatech PK-1 5g Thermal Paste $9.99
Motherboard Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $239.99
Memory Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $144.99 - Cheaper then the dominator, and I don't like the spiky look on the Gskill or other Corsair one though.
Storage Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $179.99
Video Card Asus GeForce GTX 670 4GB Video Card $429.99
Case Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case $129.99
PSU SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W $149.99

I wanted a Motherboard that also looks nice, but as someone pointed out, $300 for a Mobo..is kind of ridicilious.
If I go this, I can probabely switch to GTX 770 SLI and still keep it in budget

This is a solid setup, keeping with your 670s will serve you well until you decide to take that next GPU upgrade, but I wouldn't go to SLI 770s. If you are going to get away from the 4gig 670s it only makes sense to move to a single 780 and add another down the road. I mean you made it this long on a single 670 didn't you?

Can you fit the 840 Pro 256gig in your build?
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