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It depends on your ambient temps, fan configuration and case setup, but I used a 212 EVO on an 8320 and 8350. With the stock fan, I was limited to 4.3 GHz for the 8320 and 4.4 GHz on the 8350 before stress tests reached the safe core temperature limit.
The 6350 is indeed a newer revision (although pretty minor from what I remember). It's turbo is 100 MHz higher than the 6300, but the TDP also went up, so I'm guessing overclocking will be marginally better.
Except that's half a year away, at best tongue.gif. If you have plans to upgrade when Steamroller comes out, get the 6350 now and trade up when you are ready. If you don't plan on getting Steamroller, buy the 8350 and the best cooler you can afford. This way you will be reasonably future-proof with a fast 8-core for all of those next-gen console ports.

I recommend the 8350 over the 8320 for three reasons:
1. It will overclock higher (more performance)
2. The $20 or $30 difference is nothing when consider how long you will own it ($30 = $2.5 per month for a year)
3. It will have a higher resale value in the future
Ah, 6350 might go a little bit further than you might expect though with much less power consumption since it's the same revision as Richland. Richland achieved lower power consumption @ higher clock ... ROFL. lachen.gif
I guess AMD's 125W is just a ballpark. And remember, even though a 3770k TDP is 77W it drew more than a A10-5800k did lachen.gif
I still don't understand why some people like to save a mere 30$ for a lower binned CPU when ... surely you could cut down on something. I would either get the 8350 or go home. Seriously that or buy a older platform to begin with tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by MrLinky View Post

It depends on your ambient temps, fan configuration and case setup, but I used a 212 EVO on an 8320 and 8350. With the stock fan, I was limited to 4.3 GHz for the 8320 and 4.4 GHz on the 8350 before stress tests reached the safe core temperature limit.
The 6350 is indeed a newer revision (although pretty minor from what I remember). It's turbo is 100 MHz higher than the 6300, but the TDP also went up, so I'm guessing overclocking will be marginally better.
Except that's half a year away, at best tongue.gif. If you have plans to upgrade when Steamroller comes out, get the 6350 now and trade up when you are ready. If you don't plan on getting Steamroller, buy the 8350 and the best cooler you can afford. This way you will be reasonably future-proof with a fast 8-core for all of those next-gen console ports.

I recommend the 8350 over the 8320 for three reasons:
1. It will overclock higher (more performance)
2. The $20 or $30 difference is nothing when consider how long you will own it ($30 = $2.5 per month for a year)
3. It will have a higher resale value in the future


I really don't mind waiting in all honesty. I mean, my 965 is still tugging along, if it happens to die, or my motherboard dies, then I will get a 8350. I mean, I want to upgrade to get the full potiential out of my 7950 at 1.25ghz, but my framerates are good right now. It does dip in crysis 1/3, and gpu usage is at about 75% at some times.

Is it a definite release date of October? Or is that speculation? And say I get the 8350, would the performance increase in steamroller be too much? Or would it be more like a piledriver/bulldozer bump, if so, I may get it now, (or when my next paycheck comes, the total I'm looking at with the 8350 is about 330, opposed to 270 with the 6350) and resell it for 150 or so when Excavator comes out. Excavator is supposed to be the biggest IPC bump.
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Not sure until I check it out again, but last I heard was 2014 for the AMD release, but I could be wrong.
Highly dout you would regret the 8350, I didn't and didn't regret my 8150 either. Both have had great performance.
Besides, if you get an AM3+ mobo, far as I have seen they will work with the new AMD chips coming out.
    
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Not sure until I check it out again, but last I heard was 2014 for the AMD release, but I could be wrong.
Highly dout you would regret the 8350, I didn't and didn't regret my 8150 either. Both have had great performance.
Besides, if you get an AM3+ mobo, far as I have seen they will work with the new AMD chips coming out.


This might be what i will do. Again, any significant differences, (pros and cons) between the 6350 and 8350?
post #15 of 19
You will be fine with gameing on the 6 core, the 8 core does have a bit better performance.
But if money is tight the 6 core will do great. And if you match it with a nice am3+ mobo, you have no worries for future.
Later you can always get the 8350 at a nice price or maybe down the line get the new amd chip, and sell the one you have.
If right now is the best chance you have to get a nice CPU and don't think in the near future you will beable to, than yes just get the 8350 and smile at everything you do with it.
And again, because of a good mobo, you can upgrade the cpu when ever possible. If time is not important, than by all meens wait to see when the new ones are coming out.
But remember the right am3+ mobo will future proof your cpu upgrades as you wish for a bit.

Don't force your self into doing a snap thing,but do what you think is best and what fits your future for your system.
    
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You will be fine with gameing on the 6 core, the 8 core does have a bit better performance.
But if money is tight the 6 core will do great. And if you match it with a nice am3+ mobo, you have no worries for future.
Later you can always get the 8350 at a nice price or maybe down the line get the new amd chip, and sell the one you have.
If right now is the best chance you have to get a nice CPU and don't think in the near future you will beable to, than yes just get the 8350 and smile at everything you do with it.
And again, because of a good mobo, you can upgrade the cpu when ever possible. If time is not important, than by all meens wait to see when the new ones are coming out.
But remember the right am3+ mobo will future proof your cpu upgrades as you wish for a bit.

Don't force your self into doing a snap thing,but do what you think is best and what fits your future for your system.

I think the next few months are my best bet to buy a processor and mobo. I just picked up an h80, so I should cool my soon to be 8350 fairly well, and allow a little over clocking.
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I really don't mind waiting in all honesty. I mean, my 965 is still tugging along, if it happens to die, or my motherboard dies, then I will get a 8350. I mean, I want to upgrade to get the full potiential out of my 7950 at 1.25ghz, but my framerates are good right now. It does dip in crysis 1/3, and gpu usage is at about 75% at some times.

Is it a definite release date of October? Or is that speculation? And say I get the 8350, would the performance increase in steamroller be too much? Or would it be more like a piledriver/bulldozer bump, if so, I may get it now, (or when my next paycheck comes, the total I'm looking at with the 8350 is about 330, opposed to 270 with the 6350) and resell it for 150 or so when Excavator comes out. Excavator is supposed to be the biggest IPC bump.

I haven't been following the Steamroller news very closely, but I think the only official word from AMD has roadmaps showing Steamroller in 2013. Even then, there was speculation that it would only be server parts at first, with desktop SKUs shortly after. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

The speculation is that Steamroller will be significantly faster than Vishera (15 to 20% IPC gains are the popular estimates being quoted).

To answer your later question of pros and cons: the 6350 will clock the same or higher than the 8350, but when a game uses 4 cores, the 8350 can use just one core per module, instead of the 6350 having to share resources for 2 of the cores.
 
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Doesn't work that way, i'm afraid.
Anyway, the IPC boost over PD is said to be about 30-40%
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Wow seriously that much? Well I have no issue waiting. If it's the same pricepoints, Ill pick up the 8450 or whatever the flagship CPU is called. I had a sense that AMD may be making a comeback, and with steamroller and excavator, they can seriously make a dent in Intel's share. Their low power APU's and Console processors, and the awards they won for an AMD powered tablet PC.....it's looking good, hopefully they keep the prices low.
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