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Hey guys, I may need some help / proofreading, but the time has come for another WC build. I had a Cosmos for quite some time after I got home from old Iraqistan, and then moved to a gaming laptop to be in drifter mode for a few years. Then I got married again (mistake) and got stuck with a druggy for a wife somehow (no one knew until I figured it out) and during that I made a SFF build with an H100. Not really water but it served a purpose. Now I am single again, and relatively settled down, however I fell in love with SFF systems and will never use a huge case again. Something about the same amount of power in 1/5 of the space and weight just feels right. So here we go!

I planned on modding a Silverstone SG10 pretty hard originally, but then I saw the Parvum Systems case: http://www.parvumsystems.com/products

and fell in love again! It seems to have everything I want and room for crap I don't need, so I bought a bunch of crap I don't really need!

My specs:

i5 2500K - OC'd to something, don't pay attention but will after I finish the log
7970 Sapphire reference card - its still super quick, had reservations putting it under water but said why not.
Maximus 5 Gene - My favorite MATX motherboard, room for SLI or Xfire and great OCing
Seasonic X650 Gold - Sleeved by me in Red black and white paracord
8GB Gskill sniper 1866 Ram
A Mushkin chronos SSD - Getting slow, these things don't last long do they?
2 Sammy Eco F4s 2 TB

My WC parts list:
Phobya UC-2 CPU Block - Plexi Edition
Heatkiller M5G Chipset blocks - Black
Alphacool Nexxxos ATXP V2 7970 block - Polished SS Black
7970 Backplate for the Nexxxos
Alphacool Cape Cyclone 150mm Res
Swiftech MCP35X White pump
Alphacool ST30 240mm Rad
Alphacool XT45 240mm Rad
4x Swiftech Helix 120mm fans (basically the same as AP15s)
3x Fractal 80mm silent fans
Some PK-3 for the blocks
7/16" ID tubing
20 straight black barbs from aquatuning
4x ball rotation barbs (they look crazy http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p9195_10mm--3-8---fitting-G1-4-with-O-Ring--High-Flow
ball-rotation---black-nickel.html)
Some alphacool 90 degree fittings in case I need them
Rad gaskets and sealer strips from phobya for noise reduction
Some y splitters for the fans, 2 to 1 for rad fans and a 3 to 1 for my exhaust fans
White LEDs for the cpu top
White cathodes for the res
XSPC fill port and plugs
All cables sleeved in white

Well now, that ended up being more expensive than I thought! So, I'm going to go grab a few shots of the case, this stuff hasn't shipped from aquatuning yet, but a lot of it from Performance PCs has already shipped and should be here Monday or Tuesday I'm thinking. Do you guys see any discrepencies or missing parts?

Only things I'm really curious about are the pump, I've heard good and bad but the bad seems like QC issues, and if I can put the PK-3 on only my GPU and CPU core or can I throw it on the chipsets as well?

Also looking at fan controllers, I liked the recon but it seems to be terrible. Anyone know of a white fan controller that's preferably touchscreen that is decent or should I just use the mobo?

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Edited by votum - 5/31/13 at 8:58pm
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The MCP35X should be able to handle the 3 components just fine. These pumps are good in restrictive cases. (Lots of WC components). I would have opted for the MCP655 though. The pump flow is a lot better compared to the MCP35X, and you can control the speed via pump, unlike the MCP35X where it's pwm controlled. I also read from a few people that the MCP35X gives off more heat than the MCP655.
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Yeah I heard about the heat issue, I think Martin said it was only when it runs at 100% for extended periods. Which is actually why I got it, PWM so I can run it at probably 50% 99% of the time. I wasn't sure if a 655 would fit behind my motherboard, it's going to be cramped there. The real beauty of this case is the white motherboard tray fully conceals the PSU and HDDS and leaves 2-3" of space behind
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The MCP35X should be able to handle the 3 components just fine. These pumps are good in restrictive cases. (Lots of WC components). I would have opted for the MCP655 though. The pump flow is a lot better compared to the MCP35X, and you can control the speed via pump, unlike the MCP35X where it's pwm controlled. I also read from a few people that the MCP35X gives off more heat than the MCP655.

Odd, I've heard the complete opposite, that the MCP655 models give off more that than the MCP35X pumps, mind you the comparisons I was reading had the MCP655 at the speed settings of 4 and 5 (i'm assuming 80% AND 100%, but I'm unsure if the pumps settings use a numerical growth potentiometer) . One thing to note, the MCP35x would be superior because of it's ability to handle restriction better. Because of diminishing returns any flowrate past 1.5GPM has negligible benefits to removing heat from the CPU. In fact most waterblocks wont allow flowrates past a certain rating. The phobya UC-2 is also incredibly restrictive so the MCP35x will have a HUGE edge over the MCP655.

http://i.imgur.com/H9oV28T.png
http://i.imgur.com/VwRDI.png

With an MCP35x2 (which has a whopping 24 feet of head pressure) at 29% it only got 1.34 Gallons per minute on the outport. So yeah... it will definitely benenfit him more to have a pump that's better with restriction. So yeah, definitely MCP35x > MCP655 for this specific build.


On a side note, you should try and make the liquid you're using look like burning strontium carbonate, which is what they use to make fireworks glow red!

http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a06/s9/jg/uses-strontium-carbonate-1.1-800x800.jpg
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Odd, I've heard the complete opposite, that the MCP655 models give off more that than the MCP35X pumps, mind you the comparisons I was reading had the MCP655 at the speed settings of 4 and 5 (i'm assuming 80% AND 100%, but I'm unsure if the pumps settings use a numerical growth potentiometer) . One thing to note, the MCP35x would be superior because of it's ability to handle restriction better. Because of diminishing returns any flowrate past 1.5GPM has negligible benefits to removing heat from the CPU. In fact most waterblocks wont allow flowrates past a certain rating. The phobya UC-2 is also incredibly restrictive so the MCP35x will have a HUGE edge over the MCP655.

http://i.imgur.com/H9oV28T.png
http://i.imgur.com/VwRDI.png

With an MCP35x2 (which has a whopping 24 feet of head pressure) at 29% it only got 1.34 Gallons per minute on the outport. So yeah... it will definitely benenfit him more to have a pump that's better with restriction. So yeah, definitely MCP35x > MCP655 for this specific build.


On a side note, you should try and make the liquid you're using look like burning strontium carbonate, which is what they use to make fireworks glow red!

http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a06/s9/jg/uses-strontium-carbonate-1.1-800x800.jpg

That would be amazing.

I know mayhem is working on a 24/7 aurora fluid I bet it would look great with a red/orange mix. I don't think dyes that arent fully soluble are safe for 24/7 though.

I was going to get Ice dragon but decided against it. Tubing is clear so I'm looking at options for dye.

Now I keep reading everywhere that loop order doesn't matter, but it seems to me that you should flow to the least restrictive first. Opinion?
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Loop order doesn't affect flow at all so placing the least restrictive parts first in your loop won't be of any benefit.
As long as you put the reservoir physically above the pump (and the outlet of the reservoir on the inlet of the pump) you'll be fine.

A D5/655 (with a custom top) would have fit, since the tops are 80x80 usually (EK ones are, aqua computer ones as well) and your PSU is 85mm high. Not much room to spare though and you won't go wrong with the mcp35x. It's only drawback is that it has to dissipate it's heat to it's surroundings (compared to a D5 which would dump it's excess heat into your loop) but at lower flowrates this wouldn't be an issue.
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That would be amazing.

I know mayhem is working on a 24/7 aurora fluid I bet it would look great with a red/orange mix. I don't think dyes that arent fully soluble are safe for 24/7 though.

I was going to get Ice dragon but decided against it. Tubing is clear so I'm looking at options for dye.

Now I keep reading everywhere that loop order doesn't matter, but it seems to me that you should flow to the least restrictive first. Opinion?
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Loop order doesn't affect flow at all so placing the least restrictive parts first in your loop won't be of any benefit.
As long as you put the reservoir physically above the pump (and the outlet of the reservoir on the inlet of the pump) you'll be fine.

A D5/655 (with a custom top) would have fit, since the tops are 80x80 usually (EK ones are, aqua computer ones as well) and your PSU is 85mm high. Not much room to spare though and you won't go wrong with the mcp35x. It's only drawback is that it has to dissipate it's heat to it's surroundings (compared to a D5 which would dump it's excess heat into your loop) but at lower flowrates this wouldn't be an issue.
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That would be amazing.

I know mayhem is working on a 24/7 aurora fluid I bet it would look great with a red/orange mix. I don't think dyes that arent fully soluble are safe for 24/7 though.

I was going to get Ice dragon but decided against it. Tubing is clear so I'm looking at options for dye.

Now I keep reading everywhere that loop order doesn't matter, but it seems to me that you should flow to the least restrictive first. Opinion?

Least restrictive first is a good /idea/ but it won't affect flowrates. Your flowrate will still only be as fast as the most restrictive part allows. In short, Jetskyer is correct, order doesn't matter much as long as your res is above the pump.




As for the liquid dye part, there was somebody a while ago that accidentally mixed Ice Dragon liquid, Mayhems blue aurora. It ended up looking AMAZING, maybe you could do something like that with red.
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That would be amazing.

I know mayhem is working on a 24/7 aurora fluid I bet it would look great with a red/orange mix. I don't think dyes that arent fully soluble are safe for 24/7 though.

I was going to get Ice dragon but decided against it. Tubing is clear so I'm looking at options for dye.

Now I keep reading everywhere that loop order doesn't matter, but it seems to me that you should flow to the least restrictive first. Opinion?


Least restrictive first is a good /idea/ but it won't affect flowrates. Your flowrate will still only be as fast as the most restrictive part allows. In short, Jetskyer is correct, order doesn't matter much as long as your res is above the pump.




As for the liquid dye part, there was somebody a while ago that accidentally mixed Ice Dragon liquid, Mayhems blue aurora. It ended up looking AMAZING, maybe you could do something like that with red.[/quote]
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Yeah I saw that, mayhem has it up on his site as directions but with his white and blue. I'm pretty sure that would make a nasty pink though. I'll probably just throw some mayhem blood red in it or the white, which looks amazing
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Yeah I saw that, mayhem has it up on his site as directions but with his white and blue. I'm pretty sure that would make a nasty pink though. I'll probably just throw some mayhem blood red in it or the white, which looks amazing


good point, didn't think about it ending up pink. you could use clear with UV red and get some y-splitters and UVLED plugs, and just saturate the UV dye XD I did that with the Clear/UV Blue and most of my loop is crystal clear, and the rest glows like its radio active. I haven't seen any scaling so for, but then again I'm using Mayhems Biocide Extreme which is also an anti scaling agent XD


distilled water with oversaturated UV red might actually look like "Liquid Fire" wink.gif
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