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I've been a gamer ever since I was 3 years old and I figured out how to play the living mess out of some random college basketball game, Aladin, and Pac-Man for the Sega Genesis. My uncle had a SNES with Wheel of Fortune (don't ask me why he had that game) along with a Game Boy that was shared between me, him, and my aunt. I still hold the high score in Tetris biggrin.gif Level 19 sun! Get on my level!!!!

Anywho, that carried onto a Game Boy Color, then an Advance, with an N64, PlayStation, and PlayStation 2 as home consoles...then an Xbox that I played the living mess out of thanks to Halo, Conker: Live and Reloaded, Jet Set Radio Future, Forza 1, and Unreal Championship. The GameCube didn't last a month tongue.gif but only two months after its launch, I had an Xbox 360....which failed four times and prompted me to switch to PS3, but it's lackluster online compared to LIVE drove me back to the 360, but its lack of variety brought me back to the PS3, but its online, AGAIN, brought me back to the 360. So yes, unlike a lot of people these days claiming to be gamers (and you know who I'm talking about), I actually have played some of the timeless classics like Quake 2 (still one of my favorite FPS's to date) and don't just sit there with the last 6 CoD's and branded myself to be a gamer..................but I'm tired of it.

Is it just me, or is this getting old? Like I said earlier, I've been gaming since I was three, and I'll be 22 this year; the same year the PlayStation "I have amazing vents" 4 and the Xbox "I watch you while you ***" One is coming out. But it feels like the exact same thing I've been seeing for the past two years of gaming.

Take Uncharted for example. I LOOOOOOVED Uncharted 2. Easily one of my favorite singleplayer games of this now-passing generation. The story was amazing. The writing was amazing. The characters were amazing in their own way. I literally spent 13 hours straight playing it on Hard, and another 10 on Crushing. Unfortunately the online was god awful but I've seen worse. Then comes Uncharted 3. Played the first beta, had a feeling the final game's online was going to be worse than before. Played the second, still kept that feeling. Bought it about six months later.....YUP! The online is terrible. But I knew I was going to love the story like I did Uncharted 2.........only I didn't. It felt halfway done compared to Uncharted 2, and it was easy mode IMO. Six hours on Hard and Crushing, only for the final boss battle to be nothing more than mashing Square and sometimes Triangle. I had to fight U2's boss 10 times before I beat it on Crushing. U3? Once....seriously how hard is it to press Square and sometimes Triangle? Mash, mash, mash, mash, mash, DUCK HIS ATTACK!!! ZOMG!!! Mash, mash, mash, mash......did you have fun reading it? No? I sure didn't have fun playing it.

OK, that's just one game, though. Let's talk about another one of my favorites, Killzone 2. MAN was that campaign hard! But I still loved it. It was dark, gritty, it felt hopeless but you still wanted to fight your way through the war. The online was sooooooo much fun. 32 players on dedicated servers with different gametypes mixed into one giant match. Easily the three games I've spent the most time playing online are BF3, CoD4, and Killzone 2. Then here comes Killzone 3. For one it looks much prettier....yay? The controls are better....yay! biggrin.gif The character models finally show emotion! biggrin.gif I was especially happy to see this because I mentioned a complaint about that in the official KZ3 Q&A thread that was monitored by one of the devs. But what did I get? "Oh, we can be like CoD, too! biggrin.gif" Yet another game with easy-mode singleplayer and lackluster multiplayer. The singleplayer took me less time on Veteran than KZ2 did on Normal. The voice acting was, yet again, pretty bad (but still not as bad as a scene at the end of Halo 4), and my gritty "THIS IS WAR!!!" environment is now very pretty and colorful biggrin.gif.......*sigh* My dedicated servers? GONE! 32 players? GONE! Now it's 24. Well they at least didn't fix the not-broken class system of KZ2 right? NOPE! Don't even get me started on the map design. One map was on a ship docked next to some random snow-covered island. One team spawned on top of the ship, the other down below on the island. Yes, I said down below. Out the gate one team has a huge advantage on the other....by huge, I mean they can literally pick you off with snipers as soon as you walk out one of the exit routes. *sigh* another game ruined. mad.gif

Unfortunately this seems like a trend that has started ever since Need for Speed: Most Wanted came out. No, not the Burnout Paradise 2 rebranding. I'm talking about the one from 2005, which is still my favorite NFS game, with Shift 1 in third. Probably the last NFS game I enjoyed other than Shift was Carbon. Didn't like ProStreet, and I HATE Undercover. What happened to SSX? SSX 1 was good, Tricky was crazy, 3 was even better, then SSX 2012 comes out....it's good, but probably only due to the huge nostalgia I get from it, and I don't even play it anymore. What in God's name happened to Halo? Halo 1 was cocaine, Halo 2 was crack (even with the vast amount of cheaters), Halo 3 was.....not that great thanks to CoD4 but it was still good, and now look at Halo 4. Short, easy-mode campaign, "We can be like CoD, too biggrin.gif" multiplayer that hardly anyone plays because it's hot garbage (hopefully Monday's patch can fix some of this). Campaign was done well, but too short. Not much of a problem if it weren't for the multiplayer that, I feel, completely forgot why Halo was FPS console king until CoD4 came out.

Gaming today seems like a rip-off. I pay xxx amount of money hoping to be entertained and experience something worthwhile, only to get someone's halfway-completed project that they wanted to charge full price for. Or sometimes I'll get a game that's actually decent but will want to nickle and dime me (Forza Horizon, Uncharted 3). Or I'll get a game with disc-locked content that, if purchased completely, cost more than the original game itself (really Gears 3???), OR I'll get a game that was great when it first came out, but patches make it worse as years go on (BF3), OR I'll get a game that's such a plain "We want your monies" I feel like quitting altogether (Black Ops 2), and now it seems some Microsoft games have the idea of letting other people develop their big-titled games for them....for example Gears: Judgment, which completely spat on every Gears fan the day it came out. I have never seen a game's trade-in value dip to $.25 a few weeks after its release on Amazon, even though they're still charging full price for it. I'll probably never play another game that made me feel the same way Portal 1 and 2 made me feel....btw I LOVE those two games. I can't even get into heavier PC gaming because I feel like I'll spend $1,000 ($3,000 easily on my dream build) on something that I'll never fully utilize and will get tired of within a few months.

Seriously, though, is it just me? Have I completely lost all interest (sounds like all hope from the rant above tongue.gif) in gaming? Am I the only one feeling this way? I'd love to hear some of you guys' thoughts on the industry, where it's going, and if anyone else has lost interest in gaming as a hobby because of its current direction.



Oh, TL;DR version: Gaming's changed, and I don't like it. It feels old, tiring, and a waste of money. Agree or disagree? Why?
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IMO I agree a lot with that gaming is losing its touch. Though I'm not completely sure that its just the games themselves being bad, or me getting really bored of gaming.

Personally I don't bother buying games day 1 anymore. I wait a bit, see what the issues are, then decide. Though, after the Mass Effect 3 drama I expected the ending to be absolutely terrible... I thought it was pretty good considering the rest of the game was pretty mediocre compared to 1 and 2.
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Everything that you said is a by-product of the massive popularity of gaming. We no longer have a smaller group of people passionate about our hobby. We instead have groups of people in suits only looking for profit. For this very reason I rarely buy games at launch and migrated to mostly PC games. I now buy games from Steam that literally cost me 10-25% of the original cost and this helps bring down my expectations. If I don't like the game then to hell with it, it was only 6 bucks! Haha. There is also a very great variety of indie games on Steam which I never would have given a second look.

TLDR;

I agree which has pushed me to mostly PC titles and wicked Steam deals.
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I'll have to agree, some of the stuff coming out now a days is absolute crap (Aliens: Colonial Marines, that I hoped would be decent, and of course the Sim CIty launch blunder). I've found that as I've gotten older, I've found it takes a REALLY good game to keep me interested. For me to sit down and play a game for an extended period of time it has to be worthy of my time (TES, GTA, GOW, DOTA 2, Metro 2033, BF 3, ect.). If it's single player, it has to have a great story and be a joy to immerse myself into (TES, Metro 2033, GTA). If its multiplayer, it has to be a game that me and my buddies can dig into and have a good time (DOTA 2, BF 3).
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Everything that you said is a by-product of the massive popularity of gaming. We no longer have a smaller group of people passionate about our hobby. We instead have groups of people in suits only looking for profit. For this very reason I rarely buy games at launch and migrated to mostly PC games. I now buy games from Steam that literally cost me 10-25% of the original cost and this helps bring down my expectations. If I don't like the game then to hell with it, it was only 6 bucks! Haha. There is also a very great variety of indie games on Steam which I never would have given a second look.

TLDR;

I agree which has pushed me to mostly PC titles and wicked Steam deals.
Yeah, even with those awesome steam deals I still haven't touched or enjoyed 75% of my steam library.
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Everything that you said is a by-product of the massive popularity of gaming. We no longer have a smaller group of people passionate about our hobby. We instead have groups of people in suits only looking for profit. For this very reason I rarely buy games at launch and migrated to mostly PC games. I now buy games from Steam that literally cost me 10-25% of the original cost and this helps bring down my expectations. If I don't like the game then to hell with it, it was only 6 bucks! Haha. There is also a very great variety of indie games on Steam which I never would have given a second look.

TLDR;

I agree which has pushed me to mostly PC titles and wicked Steam deals.

I actually got Portal 1 for free and only paid $7.50 for Portal 2, and I LOVE both games.........still doesn't mean I'll return to either one after I beat them, though. & you're right. We're no longer the outcast of nerds that played some weird, stupid-looking game. Gaming went mainstream after Call of Duty 4 (which is still the best CoD) and now either everyone wants to be like Call of Duty, or everyone wants to make their game easier so casuals will come enjoy it for all of two minutes, only to complain and whine about "how hard it is :'( " and stupid devs will listen to them, put a bottle in their mouths and try to patch the game to make it easier, and end up making it worse....I'm talking to you, Killzone 2!!!!

you mainstream punks ruined my hobby! :'(
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That's the problem IMO. The pile is getting bigger and bigger every year, to the point where even my favorite franchises are being affected. It's like the plague, and personally, I don't think I should have to search through piles of garbage (one that gets bigger every year) just to find one or two games that I feel like will be worth my money.

You don't. For example, I watch every now and then reviewers like TotalBiscuit or AngryJoe. Or I look at their list of top games of the year. I wouldn't have found Braid, Dust Elytsian Tail or Bastion had I not watched these guys. Then I watch and read some reviews and what to expect from the game to see if it suits me.

I'll demonstrate this. I don't look for big dramatic stories or adventures in games because I like to read. I believe that entertainment does that way better. So I pretty much don't care about characters or stories. That's the big thing in Skyrim or Bioshock Infinite (although it's poorly executed). Instea, I want good gameplay. That's all. My favourite genre is racing and I play pretty much everything that's on PC racing, but I love other too. I enjoyed , to name a few, DmC, Batman Arkham series and Tomb Raider 2013, because story didn't matter all that much (at least it wasn't the big focus of the game) and gameplay was fun, well executed, entertaining, and kept me in my chair wanting to play more.

My advice for every one who is deppresed about today's gaming is find out what you want from a game (story, realism, horror, fun gameplay, ambient, graphics) and look for the best ones that do that. Don't expect to have a perfect game, because you are not. They don't exist. You might fint an extremely fun gameplay with "just OK" story and graphics. That's fine, they are just games.

Of course, go into the real hardcore stuff of your preferred genre (racing for me).
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Likewise, I started gaming at an extremely young age. Only 2 years old as a matter of fact, I was hooked on Mario Paint lol. But it became my main hobby. I grew to play most of the classics as well, on console though since I didn't start PC gaming until 2008. I still game to this day. Where do I see the gaming industry going? Not where it should be going, that's for sure. It quickly declined after 2007, and now the most popular games are casual generic shooters offering only the lowest form of entertainment.

Still, some games are really headed in the right direction. Most of my favorite games were released in the past six years. I don't buy every mainstream game out there, I pick my games carefully and I've found that there are still some amazing titles out there. This is why I still enjoy this hobby. In the last 5 years, I discovered the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series which are very weird games, but ambitious and full of potential. I found that (psychological) horror may have been headed in the right direction; in terms of gameplay, Penumbra and Amnesia are much better than Silent Hill, but I don't expect to ever come across a game as well-written as Silent Hill 2.

Then I discovered ArmA 2. With mods especially, this really captured my vision of where military-themed shooters should be going. I envisioned something like this back when I first played Call of Duty: Finest Hour. But what really brought me back into gaming were some of the modern RPGs. First it was modded Skyrim and modded Fallout. They succeeded in creating a truly living open world, with a million things to do. You can make several characters and have each one be a unique experience. The world is dynamic, random, unpredictable, and somewhat chaotic. They emphasize exploring and interacting this world, not advancing through the game in a straight line. Nothing else has this kind of lasting appeal. At 615 hours in Skyrim, I can hardly say that I "replayed" it at all.

But these games are actually not good RPGs at all. I realize that most of them lost the essence of old-school RPG gameplay mechanics, but other modern RPGs have evolved in a much better way; using decision-making and dialogue options to bring the player into the story, and bend the story to the player's will.

I am of course, speaking of the Mass Effect series and Dragon Age series. This is where gaming should be going; to a higher level, targeting a more mature audience who actually want to use their brains. People read novels as a hobby to get their mind going, and to analyze the story. Many do this with film as well, so why not carry this over and modify it to suit games? The aforementioned RPG series have done just that, and if only this was the path more of the industry followed.

You can't interact with a novel or film. Games certainly have the potential to exceed film in terms of storytelling, and nothing comes close to a proper game in terms of immersion. And also, the story of these games can be considerably different when replayed. You can make several characters in any of these games, and have each one be a very different experience. With other single player games (including most modern console games like MGS/Uncharted), replaying them is the same exact experience as the first time. But these RPGs have evolved beyond that.

Of course I don't want all my games to be the same, but more games like some of the ones I said above would be awesome. It could bring a lot of new people into this hobby too. I don't like how the industry caters to the brainless, but of course the industry is not to blame. They cater to where the money is. Sadly the majority of gamers want some of the worst types of games. Look at today's most popular titles like Call of Duty and Battlefield. But what was most popular at the beginning of the 21st century? I remember it was RPGs and games like Zelda.

TL:DR - Gaming has really opened up. There are games now that are nothing like anything 10-15 years ago. Only a select few titles show actual evolution in game design, and are headed in the right direction. But as a whole, it isn't going in the right direction.
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@bestuck My problem with doing that is it eventually gets incredibly boring. I love racing games as well, but GT5 bored me to pieces once I hit level 30, Forza 4 was fun 'til I hit 31 and I haven't touched it since, Forza Horizon was A LOT of fun, and I actually played it for months until that got tiring, but I haven't seen other racing games that I want to play. For me buying a game now is just a repeat of something I've already experienced; learn it, beat it, never touch it again.
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@bestuck My problem with doing that is it eventually gets incredibly boring. I love racing games as well, but GT5 bored me to pieces once I hit level 30, Forza 4 was fun 'til I hit 31 and I haven't touched it since, Forza Horizon was A LOT of fun, and I actually played it for months until that got tiring, but I haven't seen other racing games that I want to play. For me buying a game now is just a repeat of something I've already experienced; learn it, beat it, never touch it again.

But you don't have to play those types of games exclusively (unless you are are professional and get paid for it). I've probably put a little over 100 hours on F1 2012 this year, mostly testing setups and doing time trial laps. The game's not so good, but it's F1, I love it. I'm downloading Shift 1 and planning on modding it tomorrow because I kind of need a change. But while I was playing all of this F1, I enjoyed most of the best games I've ever played (Tomb Raider, DmC, Bastion, Batman AC, Skyrim a little bit, Borderlands 2).

And of course I read some books and watch TV shows. You have to have a little variety, otherwise it gets too overwhelming.
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