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I have apm enabled too. Would that affect my overclock?

yeah it will. I found APM hurts performance even when it's stock. At least that's how it is on my 8350. I've seen 10% IPC differences just by tweaking power things and other bus (HTT, CPUNB, RAM) settings while leaving CPU frequency the same.

But some of the Intel guys in this thread are very depressing to me. I recall the P4 and Opteron 165 days when more cooling was a good thing, because it let you push your chip further. Ivy Bridge, and to a lesser extent, Sandy Bridge, have created a generation of enthusiasts who think all it's supposed to take to overclock a CPU is a $25 CPU cooler and to raise the multiplier to 45.

It's really depressing. I remember slapping a Vantec Tornado on my Prescott and getting a couple hundred mhz out of it. Now it's like if you need extravagant cooling for a 24/7 overclocking rig that there's something wrong with the chip.

That's a huge part of why I didn't go Intel after my i7 920. I just couldn't join a legion of folks who tout CPU power consumption with power hungry GPUs in their rigs, that defend a company that dumbing down overclocking, that defends a company for removing features because it's ok to have things dumbed down and to have features removed (vt-d, TSX on haswell, etc) because Intel marketing slides don't call them enthusiasts chips, even though it's the most common chip amongst enthusiasts, etc.

What AMD is doing is great, they've basically created the most tweakable x86 platform that's ever existed, and Intel is going the opposite direction. They've gone so far as to basically require people to void their warranties in order to get decent overclocks by delidding the CPU.

The sooner this whole "power consumption" thing dies the better. I yearn for the day that people realize it's just an excuse Intel is using to blow off enthusiasts, either because they no longer care about us or they simply can't make significantly faster chips anymore. Power consumption has its place, and it's no where near an enthusiast's desktop. I've always felt that way, from my 4ghz Pentium 4 Netburst to my 5ghz FX 8350. If you place so much value on your enthusiast rig's power consumption, you might as well sell any fast and fun cars you have and trade it in for a Prius, too.
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Fair enough, but Skyrim could use it, that's for sure.

Funnily enough Skyrim is one of the games I play, there is a very slight difference but 90% of the time there is no difference.
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60fps isn't enough, it's a stuttery mess, we have 144Hz monitors now. When you're trying to keep minimums from dropping below 144 or 120 then AMD's current design of lots of small cores with low IPC doesn't work out too well.

For 60fps being a "stuttery mess", it sure is fluid for most people. It's not as fluid as 120 or 144FPS but some people don't really care about that and prefer price or the higher resolution.

That said, if you're considering getting a ~$300-$400 screen why would you go for a cheaper option for your CPU?
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Max graphic settings for TF2 aren't enough to push my laptop's Radeon 5730m GPU to max load. I'd much prefer a slight GPU bottleneck than a CPU one.

Yeah, but how many rigs even come close to not getting 60fps? I can record uncompressed video at max settings and still never dip below 60fps with tonnes of AA and AF.
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Screw power efficiency. Why bring it up?

"Oh no. This processor will cost an extra $12 per YEAR to run."

God I hate that argument. Do you hear about car enthusiasts complaining about MPG? Nope! Power, power, and more power, that is what we want.

That's the funniest bit about it, idle power consumption matters most for a lot of us, and virtually all times adding a new GPU is going to add 10x more power than the difference between Intel and AMD has.
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How would this compare to a Deneb chip at 4.0GHz?
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That said, if you're considering getting a ~$300-$400 screen why would you go for a cheaper option for your CPU?

A good screen will last you a fair bit longer than the components you put inside your rig.

When I got 5x Dell 23'' IPS screens people were also rising eyebrow when they noticed I'm running them with crossfired 5770's. I still have the screens, but not the crossfired 5770's. If I would have blown my available funds on top end GFX card back then it would be kinda outdated by now, but these screens, these will serve me for at least some 2 to 3 years more before the display tech has evolved enough for me to upgrade.
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Will they include a compatible motherboard list? Many of the less robust 125W compatible AM3+ boards would either heavily throttle or burst into flame.

I'd be interested if it was Steamroller, at least then it would have a chance to best Intel in single thread as well as multi-thread absolute performance (doubt it would match or beat in efficiency).
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A good screen will last you a fair bit longer than the components you put inside your rig.

When I got 5x Dell 23'' IPS screens people were also rising eyebrow when they noticed I'm running them with crossfired 5770's. I still have the screens, but not the crossfired 5770's. If I would have blown my available funds on top end GFX card back then it would be kinda outdated by now, but these screens, these will serve me for at least some 2 to 3 years more before the display tech has evolved enough for me to upgrade.

Yes, but most people would likely buy their components separate from their monitors, etc...Honestly, getting a cheap screen works well as a for now thing, IPS is nice as is 120Hz (Hence why I want one of those OCable Korean PLS screens, IPS, 1440p and 120Hz when OCed.)
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These are the kind of base clock speeds I thought we would have seen by now anyway, but they plateaued at 3.5 for awhile now. Not sure how they are going to deal with the heat even with a 32nm chip. I guess it will have to be water cooled?
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Will they include a compatible motherboard list? Many of the less robust 125W compatible AM3+ boards would either heavily throttle or burst into flame.

I'd be interested if it was Steamroller, at least then it would have a chance to best Intel in single thread as well as multi-thread absolute performance (doubt it would match or beat in efficiency).
For a start, 990fxa-ud5. That's really the only affordable mobo i would recommend. 990fxa-UD3 is sometimes hit and miss for me
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These are the kind of base clock speeds I thought we would have seen by now anyway, but they plateaued at 3.5 for awhile now. Not sure how they are going to deal with the heat even with a 32nm chip. I guess it will have to be water cooled?
Are you talking about Intel? Every single FX chip is beyond 3.5GHz (or exactly 3.5) on PD ... FX6350 which costs the same as 6300 is clocked at 3.9GHz
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I'm anxious to see LN2 results with these.
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Will they include a compatible motherboard list? Many of the less robust 125W compatible AM3+ boards would either heavily throttle or burst into flame.

I'd be interested if it was Steamroller, at least then it would have a chance to best Intel in single thread as well as multi-thread absolute performance (doubt it would match or beat in efficiency).

Buying an ultra high end CPU and pairing with a mobo that doesn't support OCing is like buying an i7 3930K with a LGA 2011 mobo that doesn't support OCing...
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