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While I agree 464 is ridiculously, the whole "just running prime" doesn't exactly make sense. Prime isn't exactly light on cpu usage, 8 cores at 100% isn't an every day event by any means...

That and I HIGHLY doubt that wattage meter is showing ONLY the CPU load. rolleyes.gif
     
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rolleyes.gif lol. What do you think runs the CPU? All power is not converted to heat,the heat is the by-product,or in other words what power the cpu can't convert into electronic signals. That's like saying all the force in a gallon of gas is exhausted out. smh

A CPU is not an electric motor or power converter; it has no moving parts and it does no physical work. A lot of electricity goes in and very little electricity comes out as either I/O signals or EMI. Most of it is leakage current and becomes heat.

Even if the overwhelming majority of current drawn by modern processors at load was not leakage current, the working current would still wind up as heat sooner rather than later.

You can put a PC in a box, run air through it, and knowing nothing other than the volume of air, and the temperature increase above ambient, know the power consumption of the system to within a few percent.
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post #173 of 953
I wonder how well these will actually perform. If they can run on a cheap cooler, they are gonna cost a fortune.
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There are exactly THREE important questions about this product:

1) Does it actually exist?

2) What will it cost?

3) Does it have overclocking headroom?

1 and 2 are obvious. 3 determines weather it is a binned 8350 (which is likely), or something new and special with potential for unprecedented performance from the Vishera design. if it had even 300-400mhz of OC headroom, that would be a very big deal, if MoBo's could handle the power output at least.
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Getting a bone stock 8350 past it's TDP figure would be highly unusual, and even heavily OCed ones don't often pull 300w+ by themselves.

Most reviews you see show total system power consumption, at the wall. Even when compared against idle and load consumption figures the differential left over usually doesn't take AC -> DC losses from the PSU, or DC -> DC losses from the motherboard into account.

Basically, if the board could handle a heavily OCed 8350 without issue, it will most likely handle one of these FX-9000s.

I meant if 8350 pulls up to ~200W at stock then I'd expect a 220W TDP FX chip to be capable of pulling ~300-400W. Which would limit compatibility to a subset of boards that can currently handle the 8350.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289809&highlight=

If they are seriously considering this kind of chip release they should really wait and do it with Steamroller FX line.
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I meant if 8350 pulls up to ~200W at stock

No FX-8350 pulls ~200W at stock.

Maybe an FX-8350 system pulls 200w at stock, but the CPU sure doesn't, not by itself.
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Which would limit compatibility to a subset of boards that can currently handle the 8350.

If the board is borderline for a stock FX-8350, then no, you do not want to put an FX-9000 (or whatever) into it.
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Well, when a system goes from 87W at the wall idle to 281W at the wall with CPU at full load I'm going to attribute a bit more than 125W of power to the CPU. A processors TDP doesn't directly match power used. So if AMD puts out a 220W rating I'd expect full load power to be higher.
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Let me read some tea leaves...

Spit vodka all over my screen after reading that
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More Ghz? isn't that era over already? I hope AMD know's what they're doing redface.gif
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Well, when a system goes from 87W at the wall idle to 281W at the wall with CPU at full load I'm going to attribute a bit more than 125W of power to the CPU.

Why?

Lets assume the CPU is consuming 120w, in and of itself. Now if the motherboard VRM is 90% efficient (which is pretty typical on a decent board) we get to 133w going into the CPU from the board; going a step further, lets assume the PSU is ~85% efficient at this load (optimistic unless it's a very good PSU or is rated for only 500-600w) we have ~157w from the wall going to our CPU if it uses 120w of power. This leaves 124w at the wall, or about 95w of actual component usage unaccounted for (after VRM and PSU losses). Other system components should be able to account for most or all of this.

Also, 281w is quite a high figure for even a full system consumption when loading an FX-8350. Most reviews I've seen are showing system power consumption around 190-220w with the CPU loaded, depending on the exact system and programs used to load the CPU. An FX-8350 does not need to reach it's TDP to produce these figures.
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A processors TDP doesn't directly match power used.

No it does not, but heat produced does very closely match actual power used, and it's uncommon for a CPU to reach or exceed it's rated TDP (though it is possible).
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So if AMD puts out a 220W rating I'd expect full load power to be higher.

I wouldn't, at least not for the overwhelming majority of samples.
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