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What is your point?

What was yours?

You pointed out that 220W would not be full system power, but rather CPU power, so it's not as big of a difference as the other poster was making it seem it was, comparing the 464W reading to the 220W TDP figure. I was pointing out that even when you take system power out of the equation the CPU should still be drawing >350W, which is substantially higher than 220W.
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Very few Zambezies and far from the majority of Vishera's will be stable at 5GHz on air, certainly not on a 212+.

If you mean you can bench at 5GHz, that's one thing. Actually using the chip day in and day out, for anything important, no way.

And even less ivy bridges can hit that. Vishera with a decent board is just about guaranteed to hit 4.8ghz I did that on a 212 easily. So 5 is both that much harder. I speak from actually owning both.
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And even less ivy bridges can hit that. Vishera with a decent board is just about guaranteed to hit 4.8ghz I did that on a 212 easily. So 5 is both that much harder. I speak from actually owning both.

You owned the 6300 if I'm correct, not the 8320/8350. A hyper 212+ is not cooling the 8 core at 4.8ghz, bottom line.
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8350 is a hot beast at anything over 4.5.
Built a system for a friend with one of the largest air cooling systems you can buy on NewEgg (NH-D14) and it has a hard time keeping up at ~4.6 with upgraded fans.
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8350 is a hot beast at anything over 4.5.
Built a system for a friend with one of the largest air cooling systems you can buy on NewEgg (NH-D14) and it has a hard time keeping up at ~4.6 with upgraded fans.

I also have the NH-D14 and I can get my 8350 a bit higher, but not much. From my experience anywhere above the point where it starts needing more voltage, 4.8 Ghz in the case of my chip, is when heat skyrockets because the wall is very steep and it's hard getting it stable without putting a fairly higher voltage into it. If you have a good chip and really good air cooling you maybe will be able to get 5 Ghz from it, possibly a little bit more. But I have around the best air-cooling (at a decent noise level) available, and anything past where the wall starts isn't stable for me. I thought I was doing well on 4.9 Ghz for a while, but the system would overheat from temp spikes and shut off. sadsmiley.gif

So basically I'd say that the best you can expect from an 8350 with some of the best air cooling is a limit of around 5 Ghz, maybe a bit lower or a bit higher. Watercooling could maybe get you better overclocks, because of the 5 Ghz air limit.

KarathKasun, what upgraded fans did you use? I'm curious. I use BitFenix Spectre Pro fans, I'm wondering if I could be getting another 200 mhz over your friend's comp because of those.
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I've had it all the way around, tongue.gif

100% stable in Linpack, playing games, and after 3 minutes of folding, BAM, crash xD

In fact, my current overclock is like that. Stable for anything except folding tongue.gif

Exactly why you test everything you do and find an OC that is stable for that, then reduce it by 100Mhz or so, you get less degrading and the like while still netting a nice OC as 100Mhz really doesn't make much of a difference these days.
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The only people that hate on AMD current CPU are the ones who have never had them. I only had a vishera six core yet it OCd like a beast, and kept up with the 2500k in my sig rig. As long as you have a modern CPU with 4+ cores then your fine in games.

Sometimes I am ashamed of my fellow Intel owners, they hate for no reason. And it's just plain ignorance. AMD is doing great.

If this chip has OC potential and comes in around 350 and under its a nice addition.
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Going to mostly agree, I doubt most people here could pick the difference between Intel and AMD blindly but some people definitely could.
Being honest, I'd wager at least 75% of OCN would never notice if their rigs were swapped with FXs and they didn't use CPUz, etc to look at what CPU was in.
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I do enjoy some RTS games yes, including SC2.

Honestly it's just the single thread perf. The 860 has tons of OCing potential when you give it some cold.

What programs show the difference, though? A few games do (Although most still seem to lag on my i5) but I can't think of any programs bar on purposely testing the single-threaded components that show the difference.
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this will be either a locked chip, or will have just have a little OC headroom.

Being a locked chip is only bad for Intel, AMD AM3+ CPUs can clock to hell and back regardless of multiplier settings.
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i still dont see what the fuss is about with the power draw. if the post above in the pic shows over 450w from the wall from a 8350 @5ghz, isnt this 220w at the same speed better? i mean it is lower power draw isnt it? or am i stoned and dont realize it.

Neither do I, for all the hubbub people create about it I sure saved barely anything when I went to my i5...People seem to forget that 90% of the time their OCed chips will be running idle and at much lower wattages than normal, the funniest bit about it is most people here who are complaining about it probably also disable Speedstep, etc in the BIOS when they OC and never reenable it. (Which probably costs more money to do than being on an AMD rig)
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whoa a cpu with higher TDP than some high end GPU's, this wouldnt be worth the effort as the gains you would see would be minimal. same mentality of, moar cores!, more Ghz!!. AMD users shoulld def give this a miss.. i hope for AMD sake there next arch is way better bring some compettition back to the cpu market thumb.gif
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lol stop...

I owned a 8120 and currently use a 8350... with an airconditioned room (central air house, with this room having an additional air conditioner to cool it further) and a hyper 212+ evo - you aren't pulling 4.6ghz on that 212 on either of these chips, let alone 5ghz.
You're assuming we have the same ambient, humidity and temperature selection. You're also assuming we both installed our coolers correctly.

There's a half-dozen people in this thread doing what you deem impossible. You're not factoring in that my statement was including the binning of Centurion.
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What was yours?

You pointed out that 220W would not be full system power, but rather CPU power, so it's not as big of a difference as the other poster was making it seem it was, comparing the 464W reading to the 220W TDP figure. I was pointing out that even when you take system power out of the equation the CPU should still be drawing >350W, which is substantially higher than 220W.

that 220w is just the cpu tdp, full system power will be higher than that. same with 8350 that have 125 tdp. i don't see any indication that this fx9000 will be more power efficient than 8350.

i'm just trying to point out that comparing 8350's 460w power consumption to fx9000's 220w tdp is like comparing apples to oranges.
you can't say that the fx9000 is more power efficient just by basing on that given info.
Edited by ghostrider85 - 6/2/13 at 10:48pm
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