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that 220w is just the cpu tdp, full system power will be higher than that. same with 8350 that have 125 tdp. i don't see any indication that this fx9000 will be more power efficient than 8350.

i'm just trying to point out that comparing 8350's 460w power consumption to fx9000's 220w tdp is like comparing apples to oranges.
you can't say that the fx9000 is more power efficient just because of that given info.
The average and above-average 8350 doesn't even reach 5.0Ghz.

Of course it's better binned.
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The average and above-average 8350 doesn't even reach 5.0Ghz.

Of course it's better binned.

binning can only affect power consumption so much, no way it can halve the power consumption.
it may be a little more power efficient than an average 8350, but not so much.
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binning can only affect power consumption so much, no way it can halve the power consumption.
it may be a little more power efficient than an average 8350, but not so much.
Who said anything about halving?
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Who said anything about halving?

read post number 310, that post is what i was replying to. http://www.overclock.net/t/1396488/sweclockers-amd-prepares-fx-9000-up-to-5-0-ghz/300_20#post_20103075
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Helped a colleague build a FX8350 system with the NH-D14.

Was adamant that he was going to hit 5-5.2ghz. Oh the dissapointment when we could not push past 4.5ghz.

After doing much research on this, seems very very common. Most won't even hit 5ghz on the h100i. Around 4.8 seems the average

Guess that's the interesting part about this supposed FX-9000. If all chips can hit a minimum of 5ghz, what cooling would be needed and what overclocking potential would there be?

Haven't owned a AMD cpu for some time but would be interested in this product depending on the above
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read post number 310, that post is what i was replying to. http://www.overclock.net/t/1396488/sweclockers-amd-prepares-fx-9000-up-to-5-0-ghz/300_20#post_20103075
He's confusing power draw with thermal design power.

As per usual.
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If I remember correctly, isn't TDP something more to do with the amount of heat required to be dissipated from the CPU under heavy load, not the amount actually being drawn? Which is why a custom closed loop with a nice fat rad will keep your temps lower than an AIO or air cooling, and is especially more favorable for higher overclocks since water has better thermal transfer properties than air.
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If I remember correctly, isn't TDP something more to do with the amount of heat required to be dissipated from the CPU under heavy load, not the amount actually being drawn? Which is why a custom closed loop with a nice fat rad will keep your temps lower than an AIO or air cooling, and is especially more favorable for higher overclocks since water has better thermal transfer properties than air.

Yeah, but heat is a byproduct of power consumption in a CPU. So it's kind of a correlation causation grey area, and a lot of people think they are the same, because chips that consume more power generally have higher TDPs, chips that consume less power generally have lower TDPs. But it's not always that way and that's why people mixing it up can drive people mad.

It's a safe assumption that FX 9000 will use a lot of power based on its TDP, but it's not guaranteed.
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If I remember correctly, isn't TDP something more to do with the amount of heat required to be dissipated from the CPU under heavy load, not the amount actually being drawn? Which is why a custom closed loop with a nice fat rad will keep your temps lower than an AIO or air cooling, and is especially more favorable for higher overclocks since water has better thermal transfer properties than air.

tdp is the max heat output at stock settings. tdp is also directly related to power consumption.
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TDP is not the max heat output.

TDP is just a number that AMD/intel give their chips that instructs the OEMs on beefy of a cooler they have install.

If you have a TDP of 130W that means that OEMs will have to slap a cooler on the chip that is designed to dissipate a minimum of 130W heat output. This does not mean that the chip can't sometimes output more heat than 130W. Or that it will reach 130W, it can also always stay way below that but if the manufacturer says it has to be used with a min 130W dissipating HS then the part will get a 130W TDP.
 
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