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This is not a poverty chip. So don't complain that your poverty PSU, your poverty phase motherboard and poverty cooling solution can't run it. It's not for everyone. 3970x pulls 278 watts from the wall @ load, stock clocks. Pls go
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In an IDLE state the PC (X79 / 3960X / 16GB memory / GeForce GTX 580 / SSD) consumes 86 Watts. Mind you that we measure the ENTIRE PC, not just the processor's power consumption.

When we place load on the CPU and we see the power draw rise, the system now consumes roughly 201 Watts. This is with merely an SSD, memory and the GTX580 installed. Your average PC will draw a little more power if you add optical drives, HDDs, soundcards etc.



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Why does a 8150 use more power than a 3960X? I mean really? REALLY?
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Guru3D

Why does a 8150 use more power than a 3960X? I mean really? REALLY?

Cause its a 8150, they where horrid little buggers at first. The 8350 isnt as bad....
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Guru3D

Why does a 8150 use more power than a 3960X? I mean really? REALLY?

It probably has something to do with AMD FXs fully using all 8 cores vs Intel i-7 SB-Es having 2 locked, dormant cores, because of issues Intel couldn't figure out at the time with power and yield constraints...

Now could we finally see those two cores unlocked and active with IB-E? Quite possibly, part of the reason I made my ultimate rig entry an X79 build. Should I be a lucky SOB and win one, bet your bottom dollar I'll think long and hard about the upgrade to IB-E when they come out... but if I have to spend my own money on an X-79... well... it's all going to come down to price drops... and I'll go SB-E if I do it... unless Steamroller proves to be an exceptional jump made by AMD.

As far as the Bulldozer core... they aren't terrible, but the Piledriver revision is clearly more in line with what AMD was hyping/hoping they would initially be.
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Guru3D

Why does a 8150 use more power than a 3960X? I mean really? REALLY?

It probably has something to do with AMD FXs fully using all 8 cores vs Intel i-7 SB-Es having 2 locked, dormant cores, because of issues Intel couldn't figure out at the time with power and yield constraints...

Now could we finally see those two cores unlocked and active with IB-E? Quite possibly, part of the reason I made my ultimate rig entry an X79 build. Should I be a lucky SOB and win one, bet your bottom dollar I'll think long and hard about the upgrade to IB-E when they come out... but if I have to spend my own money on an X-79... well... it's all going to come down to price drops... and I'll go SB-E if I do it... unless Steamroller proves to be an exceptional jump made by AMD.

As far as the Bulldozer core... they aren't terrible, but the Piledriver revision is clearly more in line with what AMD was hyping/hoping they would initially be.
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not even worth commenting on, not the AMD modules / cores bull nor the Intel power and yield constraints.
Intel even does there own fabs..
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rolleyes.gif
not even worth commenting on, not the AMD modules / cores bullshiit nor the Intel power and yield constraints.
Intel even does there own fabs..

No need to be snide, man. If I'm wrong about something, I have no objections whatsoever to being corrected with proof and learning more. So if I'm wrong post the link to the facts and thank you for helping me learn more... elsewise, like I said, leave the slightly condescending tone out of things.

It's a fairly logically thought that 8 cores would draw more power than 6. As far as power and yield constraints that Intel never bothered to revise and release on the SB-E (probably due to no serious threat from AMD)...

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Intel-Core-i73960X-Extreme-Edition-Sandy-BridgeE-Review/?page=2
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The initial batch of processors based on the Sandy Bridge-E microarchitecture will feature 6 active execution cores that can each process two threads simultaneously courtesy of Intel’s Hyper-Threading technology, for support of a total of 12 threads. Although, you’ll notice in the die map that there are actually two cores dormant in the chip. The die actually has eight cores, but due to power and yield constraints with the current revision, only six are active at this time. We asked when / if an 8-core SBE would ship and were of course told that Intel doesn’t comment on unreleased products, but you can bet the farm they’ll be coming at some point.
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No need to be snide, man. If I'm wrong about something, I have no objections whatsoever to being corrected with proof and learning more. So if I'm wrong post the link to the facts and thank you for helping me learn more... elsewise, like I said, leave the slightly condescending tone out of things.

It's a fairly logically thought that 8 cores would draw more power than 6. As far as power and yield constraints that Intel never bothered to revise and release on the SB-E (probably due to no serious threat from AMD)...

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Intel-Core-i73960X-Extreme-Edition-Sandy-BridgeE-Review/?page=2
That is possible. Another possibility (just my speculation) is that the full 8 core CPU's are for the server end market.

And yes, no reason to put all of your cards on the table if the competition is......well nonexistent!

Just for reference, a 5ghz 8350 is still slower than a stock 3930k. You don't even wanna bother looking at the power consumption..tongue.gif

8 cores @ 5ghz is slower than 6 @ 3.5ghz....(you can see why intel dominates the enthusiast market)
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I am in a 'messy' mood, no harm intended..
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That is possible. Another possibility (just my speculation) is that the full 8 core CPU's are for the server end market.

And yes, no reason to put all of your cards on the table if the competition is......well nonexistent!

Just for reference, a 5ghz 8350 is still slower than a stock 3930k. You don't even wanna bother looking at the power consumption..tongue.gif

8 cores @ 5ghz is slower than 6 @ 3.5ghz....(you can see why intel dominates the enthusiast market)

And yet it's one third the price. Just because a BMW is the best performing car,doesn't make a Honda Accord a bad car. thumb.gif
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And yet it's one third the price. Just because a BMW is the best performing car,doesn't make a Honda Accord a bad car. thumb.gif

and just because a Honda Accord is a perfectly functioning car, doesn't mean the BMW is overly expensive without reason.

What I said was just a fact. You can either look at it "glass half empty, or glass half full" thumb.gif
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not even worth commenting on, not the AMD modules / cores bullshiit nor the Intel power and yield constraints.
Intel even does there own fabs..

An extra integer unit, along with some other auxiliary stuff...

That's going to make a core more complex than simply adding a hyper-threading function.


Nividia had a similar situation with one of their previous GPU architectures. They used fewer, more complex cores to get the job done. But when it became apparent that the extra complexity wasn't paying off, they had the option of either making the already large GPU die even larger (to accommodate more cores), or clock the GPU higher.
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