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AMD doesnt have variable tdp numbers. They always list their cpus in large increments like 65w, 95w, 125w while Intel is quite the opposite.
Theres no way a .8 GHz increase in clock speed can result in extra 95w of power usage. They just dont have a tdp number lower than 220 and higher than 125w I guess

Of course it can. Higher clocks need more voltage, more voltage = more power draw. The increase is not linear, but exponential. Going from 4 GHz to 5+ can easily double the power draw on the FX CPUs. It was the same thing with the Phenom X6 series. Going from the stock ~3 GHz to a good 4,2+ GHz overclock literally doubled the power consumption of the CPU due to the voltage needed.
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Whoa... 5Ghz, but really AMD needs to stop playing the Ghz game and try to find a solution to their high end chips that can actually keep up with Intel and I'll be impressed. This CPU is just going to consume a lot of power and won't even beat Intel's highest offerings, correct me if I'm wrong.
    
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AMD chip at such a high clock speed and TDP? I'd bet on seeing something like 1.5v VID
I wouldn't expect voltages this high. High leakage parts OC better with lower voltage, they just have huge current draw.
I would still expect higher stock VIDs than most FX-8350s though.

True. I guess 1.5v is quite a stretch! We really have no idea what kind of golden binning they may have going on with these chips, assuming this isn't a false rumor.

Maybe 1.4V if we're lucky. tongue.gif

Nonetheless, this has definitely tickled my curiosity.
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Whoa... 5Ghz, but really AMD needs to stop playing the Ghz game and try to find a solution to their high end chips that can actually keep up with Intel and I'll be impressed. This CPU is just going to consume a lot of power and won't even beat Intel's highest offerings, correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sure they're working on better things as well. In the mean time, pushing out some really high clocked chips couldn't hurt. I don't think anyone would expect this to be any kind of game changer at this point.
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Single Thread Performance = NO(it will only do about 1.30-1.33 in cinebench11.5 @ 5ghz)
Multi-Thread Performance = YES


For this chip to make any sense it would have to do 5ghz at less than 1.4v, which is highly unlikely. Most fx-83XX chips require greater than 1.5v and water to hit 5ghz stable. These most be best binned chips in the history of AMD.

If it cost less than $300 and does 5ghz at less than 1.4v they have my money. I can do a lot of damage between 1.4-1.5v, 5.5ghz might be in reach of some lucky folks out there. I expect these things to be out in a few weeks.
You say that but when it's AMD ... They make miracles come true when in doubt. What doesn't seem possible is now possible. 6350 fits into 125W TDP because AMD doesn't have a >95W in between TDP bracket
And now, what if they released the matured process version of 83xx? It's highly possible.
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Whoa... 5Ghz, but really AMD needs to stop playing the Ghz game and try to find a solution to their high end chips that can actually keep up with Intel and I'll be impressed. This CPU is just going to consume a lot of power and won't even beat Intel's highest offerings, correct me if I'm wrong.
Not at the same price. It's much cheaper than a 3770k and would you expect it to beat a 3770k? Definitely not. Comes close, but i wouldn't expect so.
They do not have a choice with a GHz war, someone screwed up big time at AMD (I won't mention who because i forgot tongue.gif) and they have to play the GHz war now.
But they do have SR. And that is no BD. At least i think, early rumors say 10core procs with 40-50% over BD on IPC AND IPS as well as lowered L3 cache mis(lol)hits and lowered cache mispredictions (Not only on branch, though.) They will be putting back the full 1 decoder + FPU per core ... that will boost up performance over PD quite sizably since it's literally an K10.5 with improved IPC but is harmed by mispredictions but of course it's not like that.

Theoretically it's much faster than PD and with lower power consumption as well ... they want to squeeze a 5 module SR (They can't call it module anymore ... Finally then we will have idiots going TH0SE AREN'T FULL COR3Z, IT'S NO GOOD) or 10 core SR in a 125W TDP, what do you expect?

We might not even see FX on the lower-end anymore if SR works like it should ... just 30% performance increase over PD is enough to bring it into Sandy IPC territory. Now double that power by a factor of 10. holy christ

I think 8 core is more plausible for now, if SR works as it should, we would be seeing 20-core G34 server CPUs ... If Intel sits around not doing anything to release Ivy-E they are in for some serious trouble on the server market ...
Note : I am not biased. As you can see all my rigs are Intel-based ... I just use who i find with more bang-for-buck. I went for L5520 because it's fast enough and was like 67$ ... A used 2700k comes in @ 200$
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6350 fits into 125W TDP because AMD doesn't have a >95W in between TDP bracket

You bet they put them into the 125W TDP because putting them into the 95W would force them to bin too many chips, requiring them to do yet another SKU to fit the 125W ones. So they fit them all into the 125W, and called it a day.
   
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There's no way it would only use 220w. I just posted a screen of a 5Ghz 8350 system pulling 464w.

Right, that's essentially what I said too. 220W would be impressively low. That being said, measuring system power doesn't do much for me. You need to get an ammeter on the EPS power connector's ground lines and multiply computed power by about 0.9 to estimate CPU power. (ie 20 amps = 20A * 12V = 240W * 0.9 (VRM efficiency) = 216W estimated CPU power)
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Right, that's essentially what I said too. 220W would be impressively low.

TDP is just a rough estimation of what the cooling system should be able to cope with in a real world high load scenario.

The testing criteria is established by the manufacturer, we don't know what is AMD using in this case.
   
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I really can't believe AMD is doing this. They better have tweaked the crap out of it somehow because the FX-8350 at that clock speed gulps power. Just higher binning won't help this be a reasonable processor. An example thanks to mongoled from XS:



464w just running prime.

they are talking about TDP not power consumption
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they are talking about TDP not power consumption

That post has nothing to do with TDP, it wasn't replying to anyone.
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So....all of our motherboards are 125watt right? This fixed through a bios update or are we looking at some new motherboards coming out.
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