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either way... 220w tdp is just insane. They are going in reverse. While Intel is designing lower draw, faster chips, AMD is just building the American muscle car of the tech world. While awesome all in all. Just not too smart. My 2cents.gif

This is kind of wrong. Have you seen AMD's push for low power chips in the mobile and server markets? That's where it actually matters. People care about battery life, and server farms care about power cost. The average consumer doesn't think about their desktop computer as a source of financial strain in terms of power cost, so AMD doesn't put too much effort into keeping power draw in check, especially since they have bigger fish to fry.

Intel tried to bring power efficiency to desktop Haswell and look how that worked for them--lame increases in performance and nobody gives half a hoot that it saves a few watts.

Why does anybody here care about a 220W TDP since that is what all enthusiast chips running at the upper end of their voltage range pull?

Also, to throw one more (but IMHO the correct) definition of TDP into the mix:

TDP: Thermal Design Product. This value is indicative of the upper limit of heat (measured in w) that a cooling solution must be able to remove in order for it to be suitable for use with this chip.

In practice, this means that the chip will draw a maximum of 220W at stock settings with a heavy load. I don't know if that means Prime95 or something less stressful that still exerts "100%" load (Cinebench?), but yeah. that's my take on it.
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My take on it is, The FX-9000 is coming out very late in the current 32nm manufacturing process (mature process). As far as I know, this would be the final processor to be released by AMD using 32nm. If they are just very high binned FX-8350's supply will by short and these will have a very high price tag. If they are priced to compete with an i7 then chips of this quality are more common than in the past.
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Maybe he's just concerned that the cute little H60 cooler isn't up to the job of cooling the FX-9000.

But who pairs a budget cooler with a enthusiast CPU/GPU anyways?
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Taking a 4GHz FX-8350 to 4.8GHz is much less of an OC than taking a 3.5GHz i7 to 4.5GHz.
Eat some humble pie? They'd just buy the faster processor.

What you aren't taking into consideration is that although the 8350 averages an OC of 800Mhz, or 20%, there are quite a few other AMD CPUs that have even more OC headroom... on a Corsair H80, which performs on a similar par to high end air coolers, I've achieved stable OC on my 8120 up to 4.4GHz, 4.5 and above get too hot (if I get peak load temps that hit 60C, I dial it back a notch because I don't want to push the max safe temps too much). but from the stock 3.1 GHz, 4.4 is still a 41.9% OC... proportionally far more than the average 1GHz gain seen with IB i7s going from 3.5 to 4.5 (28.6%). Do the Intels still outperform the AMDs? Yes, but I spent half the cost of the Intel. Why, because I had a budget of about $1,750 when I did my build. My next build will have about a grand more budget space, so I'll go SB-E on that build and get an excellent performance jump. The bottom line is that a build will always be determined by three key things...

1. Budget, or more importantly the performance to budget ratio.
2. Personal preferences.
3. Intended primary use.

For a high end all around (primarily gaming then photo and music editing) build to go Intel on my current rig, I would have gotten much less for the money. After all, my CPU and MB were about $350 when purchased. To get the comparable tier Intel parts (2nd highest performing Intel Desktop with a high mid- lower top level board) would have cost me about $800 (at the time that would've been the Core i7-3930K with probably say the ASUS ROG Rampage IV Formula/Sabertooth, the ASUS P9X79 Pro/Deluxe or the Gigabyte X79-UP5 for example). Could I have gotten a much higher performance rig, yes. Did I have the budget to do so, no.
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What you aren't taking into consideration is that although the 8350 averages an OC of 800Mhz, or 20%, there are quite a few other AMD CPUs that have even more OC headroom... on a Corsair H80, which performs on a similar par to high end air coolers, I've achieved stable OC on my 8120 up to 4.4GHz, 4.5 and above get too hot (if I get peak load temps that hit 60C, I dial it back a notch because I don't want to push the max safe temps too much). but from the stock 3.1 GHz, 4.4 is still a 41.9% OC... proportionally far more than the average 1GHz gain seen with IB i7s going from 3.5 to 4.5 (28.6%).

Just as there are lower end AMD parts that have more OC potential, there are often lower end Intel parts that have more relative OC potential as well. This has been diminished a great deal over the last several years, because of the locked nature of budget Intel offering, so you do have something of a point.
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Yes, but I spent half the cost of the Intel.

The price differential shouldn't be anywhere near as high for even vaguely equivalent performance.
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Just as there are lower end AMD parts that have more OC potential, there are often lower end Intel parts that have more relative OC potential as well. This has been diminished a great deal over the last several years, because of the locked nature of budget Intel offering, so you do have something of a point.
The price differential shouldn't be anywhere near as high for even vaguely equivalent performance.

The operative phrase I used was comparable tier, not comparable performance... to go with comparable performance, I still would have spent more than what my budget would have allowed.

8 thread unlocked CPUs:
Core i7-3770K -- $329.99
Core i7-3820 -- $299.99

Comparable motherboards:
Z77
ASUS Sabertooth Z77 -- $239.99
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro -- $209.99
ASUS Max V Formula -- $284.99
Gigabyte Z77-UD5H -- $189.99
Gigabyte Sniper M3 -- $169.99
Z77 CPU/MB = $500-615

X79
ASUS P9X79 WS -- $379.99
ASUS R IV Formula -- $369.99
ASUS P9X79 Deluxe -- $349.99
ASUS P9X79 Pro -- $309.99
Gigabyte Assassin 2-- $349.99
Gigabyte X79-UP4 -- $239.99
X79 CPU/MB = $540-680

I bought my FX-8120 and Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5 in early April of last year for $349.99 ($20 off bundle deal). Either one of the similar Intel Core i7s would have cost me at least $150 more...

Closest performing unlocked CPU:
Core i5-3570K -- $219.99

Closer performance from the i5 would still have cost me $50-$165 more depending on MB choice. The i7-3930K, which at the time was Intel's second highest performing desktop CPU, when paired with the Gigabyte X79-UP4 would have cost me $810... my point is indeed very valid when one pays adequate attention to the grammar I used and the context of my statement.
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You do know that 8150 couldn't even fend off a 2500k right? Less so for a 8120 ... There's where PD is so much better.
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I also have the NH-D14 and I can get my 8350 a bit higher, but not much. From my experience anywhere above the point where it starts needing more voltage, 4.8 Ghz in the case of my chip, is when heat skyrockets because the wall is very steep and it's hard getting it stable without putting a fairly higher voltage into it. If you have a good chip and really good air cooling you maybe will be able to get 5 Ghz from it, possibly a little bit more. But I have around the best air-cooling (at a decent noise level) available, and anything past where the wall starts isn't stable for me. I thought I was doing well on 4.9 Ghz for a while, but the system would overheat from temp spikes and shut off. sadsmiley.gif

So basically I'd say that the best you can expect from an 8350 with some of the best air cooling is a limit of around 5 Ghz, maybe a bit lower or a bit higher. Watercooling could maybe get you better overclocks, because of the 5 Ghz air limit.

KarathKasun, what upgraded fans did you use? I'm curious. I use BitFenix Spectre Pro fans, I'm wondering if I could be getting another 200 mhz over your friend's comp because of those.


I don't remember exactly, its been a bit. I know they had a CFM rating of around 30% higher than the stock fans. Would have loved to slap a set of 200+ CFM deltas on it for the lulz.

I think we settled on 4.2 or 4.4Ghz with the stock fan setup as he wanted silence.
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I'm not entirely sure slapping 200CFM deltas would help vs a 120CFM delta (FFB1212VHE, EFB1212VHE, AFB1212VHE-C, WFB1212VHE) ...
As the NH-D14 is more optimized for silence rather than maximum density
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Originally Posted by SpacemanSpliff View Post

The operative phrase I used was comparable tier, not comparable performance... to go with comparable performance, I still would have spent more than what my budget would have allowed.

8 thread unlocked CPUs:
Core i7-3770K -- $329.99
Core i7-3820 -- $299.99

Comparable motherboards:
Z77
ASUS Sabertooth Z77 -- $239.99
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro -- $209.99
ASUS Max V Formula -- $284.99
Gigabyte Z77-UD5H -- $189.99
Gigabyte Sniper M3 -- $169.99
Z77 CPU/MB = $500-615

X79
ASUS P9X79 WS -- $379.99
ASUS R IV Formula -- $369.99
ASUS P9X79 Deluxe -- $349.99
ASUS P9X79 Pro -- $309.99
Gigabyte Assassin 2-- $349.99
Gigabyte X79-UP4 -- $239.99
X79 CPU/MB = $540-680

I bought my FX-8120 and Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5 in early April of last year for $349.99 ($20 off bundle deal). Either one of the similar Intel Core i7s would have cost me at least $150 more...

Closest performing unlocked CPU:
Core i5-3570K -- $219.99

Closer performance from the i5 would still have cost me $50-$165 more depending on MB choice. The i7-3930K, which at the time was Intel's second highest performing desktop CPU, when paired with the Gigabyte X79-UP4 would have cost me $810... my point is indeed very valid when one pays adequate attention to the grammar I used and the context of my statement.

I guess you don't know how/where to shop biggrin.gif

Ebay has brand new 3570K's for $175/185 and you can get a nice z77 for around $150/160.

MC had a deal the other day where you could get both the 3570K and a z77 mobo for $275.

Sometimes newegg is not the best deal out there..
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