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I understand, i understand. But you should have waited for vishera tongue.gif It's not like i like either AMD or Intel either

I want to apologize for being a little chippy in that last post... it's been a long week already and I was in dire need of sleep, lol. When I did my current build it was a case of having the money and the need, but unfortunately I didn't have the luxury of being able to wait 6 months, lol. At the time, I was "working" with a used Core 2 Duo PC I bought for $150 after my previous tower had died... It was that or going back to my 10 year old Pentium 4 Northwood, lol. And of course, my older tower died right after I spent $1,400 to buy my laptop and my books for Spring Semester of school.

It's so tempting to just drop about $600-800, upgrade to a Vishera or an IB/Z77 MB, with a newer GPU, and a better cooling solution than my H80, but with Steamroller desktops coming out late this year/early next, the Radeon HD 9000s and NVidia Maxwells launching around the same time, and IB-E probably pushing down the prices of SB-E, it seems like this time I will be much better served to be patient, especially considering I have a much more adequate rig to tide me over.
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That's only focused on single threaded performance though... which is the long standing variance between intel and AMD... AMD does better at multi threaded tasks, intel at single threaded tasks. And that's what AMD is supposedly addressing with Steamroller.. Improved memory controllers, improvement in single thread tasking, and a reduction in die size. I've long used AMD due to the price-performance factor... when you have a confined budget, it's easier to afford that top notch GPU going with the sacrifice of CPU performance in an AMD rig. But AMD's traditionally OC very well and that helps make up some of the gap between the two. As I said earlier, this is AMD trying to put a competitive stop gap out until the SR launches... and for the sake of a competitive market and lower prices for all of us, I really hope that AMD hits it out of the park with SR.
AMD are only better at multithreaded when they have more threads at play say double they cant beat intel when threads are equal.because each intel thread performs better.. sad but true i mean a gulftown hexacore will beat an 8350 everytime.although i whole heartadly agrer. come on amd compete please we meed you in yhe market to not only keep prices down but to push innovation and improvemwnt for both sides smile.gif
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AMD are only better at multithreaded when they have more threads at play say double they cant beat intel when threads are equal.because each intel thread performs better.. sad but true i mean a gulftown hexacore will beat an 8350 everytime.although i whole heartadly agrer. come on amd compete please we meed you in yhe market to not only keep prices down but to push innovation and improvemwnt for both sides smile.gif
True but I have been debating the benches and the fact they are compiled and written with Intel in mind. Nothing illegal here just fact. Intel owns the lions share of the market so software should be written with their structure in mind. While that is in play AMD wont likely ever beat Intel in the benches. Unless something changes <--- said with great alluding.
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BLAMELESS quote:
Did you?

The description quite clearly states that you can download the source code, but if you compile your own build it you won't be able to submit scores with it.


So you think that all the AMD FX 8350 scores were made with their own optimized source code? I can tell you that most if not all those 8350 were done with only the souce code DL and benched. Besides it is said that they would concider new code for future releases. It is a fair assessment of CPUs to compare across the board, from desktop to tablet and phone (I believe). Doesn't change the fact that Intels best didn't topple the FX in the list. Even a 5.2 Intel didn't best a 4.4 FX. I know why and that reason will kill the same notion Intel has made against AMD for some time now.

I don't know anything that you're talking about (just to clarify, I mean this kindly...as in I'm uninformed), just watching from the sidelines, but it just sounds like you're trading one wrong for another wrong.

Here's what I gathered from this

"This compiler is bogus, it obviously favors intel! We need invalidate that one and create one that fully exploits AMD's specific processors to be fair....?"

Again, this is just what I'm reading from this, don't shoot the messenger.

EDIT: (clarification)
Edited by lacrossewacker - 6/5/13 at 5:58am
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I don't know anything that you're talking about, just watching from the sidelines, but it just sounds like you're trading one wrong for another wrong.

Here's what I gathered from this

"This compiler is bogus, it obviously favors intel! We need invalidate that one and create one that fully exploits AMD's specific processors to be fair....?"

Again, this is just what I'm reading from this, don't shoot the messenger.
yeah someones just ranting lol either way someone will be advantaged/disadvantaged
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Are there any reasonably priced CPU coolers (on air) that can handle a 5ghz fx 8350?

I ask because I need a new one for my own PC (an IVY bridge)...thought I could piggy back off this topic since the info is still relevant to the topic tongue.gif
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Are there any reasonably priced CPU coolers (on air) that can handle a 5ghz fx 8350?

I ask because I need a new one for my own PC (an IVY bridge)...thought I could piggy back off this topic since the info is still relevant to the topic tongue.gif
I see what you did there... tongue.gif
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Well I have to say it is fun to watch people dance around the point. Being that your uninformed, did you attempt to become informed or rather continue posting ignorant responses? If you want to know something or need clarification you should ask first before giving inane responses. I will be more than happy to go into greater detail if it helps bring intelligent debate.
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Well I have to say it is fun to watch people dance around the point. Being that your uninformed, did you attempt to become informed or rather continue posting ignorant responses? If you want to know something or need clarification you should ask first before giving inane responses. I will be more than happy to go into greater detail if it helps bring intelligent debate.

is that to me? Because that's what I was doing. Saying "I don't know what you're talking about" as in I'm admitting...I DON'T KNOW. aka perfect opportunity to inform me. I even clarified that fact in my edit just so you wouldn't have to feel so sensitive and bring out the whip.


I gave you an honest observation from what you said. Rather than just accepting what you said for fact, I explained how it appeared to me, the uninformed.
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Are there any reasonably priced CPU coolers (on air) that can handle a 5ghz fx 8350?

I ask because I need a new one for my own PC (an IVY bridge)...thought I could piggy back off this topic since the info is still relevant to the topic tongue.gif

I suppose that depends on what you mean by reasonable. Sub-$100? Sub-$50?

This one might as it's currently #3 on FrostyTech's AMD charts for temperature delta.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119115

Your main obstacle with traditional air cooling is going to be noise once you get to heat loads that high, even if you can keep the temperature delta reasonable. Sealed water (H100 & co) becomes more attractive as a drop-in solution since it allows a larger radiative surface.
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