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Yeah haswell is for laptop and they mess up with the desktop part too. Who needs a better igpu with a 4770k?

x79 is for CPU only. thats why it comes without integrated gpu and is soldered.
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Yeah haswell is for laptop and they mess up with the desktop part too. Who needs a better igpu with a 4770k?

nobody and I wish the tards making these decisions could realize that. I mean, it'd cost them less to make the CPU if they didn't include that iGPU in it....

As far as I care, just throw in something that'll display an image just in case my GPU gives out....but don't attempt to give me a half crappy gaming experience.....
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nobody and I wish the tards making these decisions could realize that. I mean, it'd cost them less to make the CPU if they didn't include that iGPU in it....

As far as I care, just throw in something that'll display an image just in case my GPU gives out....but don't attempt to give me a half crappy gaming experience.....

Nevermind the drivers, which still are considerably horrible, the heat output and that precious space which could be used to slap how many cores more... sozo.gif

Oh, right, that's 39xx platform. But it costs you a leg and a nutz. mad.gif
    
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Welcome to Intel corp., where we believe you must fork out for a new mobo and proc every new tock to get minor increases
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nobody and I wish the tards making these decisions could realize that. I mean, it'd cost them less to make the CPU if they didn't include that iGPU in it....

As far as I care, just throw in something that'll display an image just in case my GPU gives out....but don't attempt to give me a half crappy gaming experience.....

Because there are buffoons that buy a fancy i7 K edition... And don't buy a dedicated GPU to go with it, or in some cases, a mobo that supports OCing and an aftermarket cooler.

There's a reason why OEMs love to push out i5/i7 laptops without a dedicated GPU, and the amount of people that buy them. My dad still thinks that if he upgrades from an i5 to an i7, it'll increase responsiveness and decrease application launch times. And he thinks SSDs are useless simply because they cost more per GB.
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your choice not to buy it or not, same principle for nVidia and Titan.
gotta pay the cost if you wanna be the boss..
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Because there are buffoons that buy a fancy i7 K edition... And don't buy a dedicated GPU to go with it, or in some cases, a mobo that supports OCing and an aftermarket cooler.

There's a reason why OEMs love to push out i5/i7 laptops without a dedicated GPU, and the amount of people that buy them. My dad still thinks that if he upgrades from an i5 to an i7, it'll increase responsiveness and decrease application launch times. And he thinks SSDs are useless simply because they cost more per GB.


Well I suppose for OEMs, if they include a i7-4770R (or whatever else has the "IRIS Pro", sure it'll cost a pretty penny, but the power savings and increase in GPU performance might allow the OEM to cut prices on PSU's and discrete GPU's. For the most part, the IRIS Pro is MORE than enough for a majority of casual gamers

Without the need for discrete GPU's, maybe they could mix up the form factors a little bit. Just a bit of a rational.
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Well I suppose for OEMs, if they include a i7-4770R (or whatever else has the "IRIS Pro", sure it'll cost a pretty penny, but the power savings and increase in GPU performance might allow the OEM to cut prices on PSU's and discrete GPU's. For the most part, the IRIS Pro is MORE than enough for a majority of casual gamers

Without the need for discrete GPU's, maybe they could mix up the form factors a little bit. Just a bit of a rational.

But the market isn't comprised of casual gamers. I mean, a tablet with a lowly mobile chip is enough for them, why buy a rig when a tablet cost you a fraction of it and it can do everything a casual gamer needs?Or everything a casual anything needs? Buy a tablet with Linux or Windows RT, attach a low weight keyboard and you have the so called "pc for work/homework". biggrin.gif You don't have to carry a weighty laptop anymore, nor be chained to a cumbersome rig.

The again, the point that interest us, dedicated mid to high performance CPU and dedicated GPU. Intel is slowly crapping and getting away from the entire midlle market...you want low perf+cost, buy a humble ultralow TDP+power consumption tablet chip. You want performance for gaming/rendering/crunching data, buy a high performance chip. You wanna something inbetween? Look again. At least that's what it seems to my eyes, where the options will be to go low, with all the different shades of low they will be offering, or go really high. tongue.gif
    
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nobody and I wish the tards making these decisions could realize that. I mean, it'd cost them less to make the CPU if they didn't include that iGPU in it....

As far as I care, just throw in something that'll display an image just in case my GPU gives out....but don't attempt to give me a half crappy gaming experience.....

To my knowledge both mobile and desktop intel cpus come from the same production line. It would actually be more expensive to have two production lines, one with and one without igpu, not to mention that not all customers are gamers-some people will buy only the cpu and use the igpu to browse/watch video etc even on desktop. Intel nevertheless is aware that igpu doesn't matter that much for the desktop,that's why they only offer haswell with the 4600 HD there.
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But the market isn't comprised of casual gamers. I mean, a tablet with a lowly mobile chip is enough for them, why buy a rig when a tablet cost you a fraction of it and it can do everything a casual gamer needs?Or everything a casual anything needs? Buy a tablet with Linux or Windows RT, attach a low weight keyboard and you have the so called "pc for work/homework". biggrin.gif You don't have to carry a weighty laptop anymore, nor be chained to a cumbersome rig.

The again, the point that interest us, dedicated mid to high performance CPU and dedicated GPU. Intel is slowly crapping and getting away from the entire midlle market...you want low perf+cost, buy a humble ultralow TDP+power consumption tablet chip. You want performance for gaming/rendering/crunching data, buy a high performance chip. You wanna something inbetween? Look again. At least that's what it seems to my eyes, where the options will be to go low, with all the different shades of low they will be offering, or go really high. tongue.gif

you're right. it's not. Instead it's comprised of mostly males that purchase their Home/Family PC's from large retailers that just hold HP/ Dell/ Apple/ etc... and all they really care about is the screen, and the memory....something a tablet can't give. They want to know that the computer can hold all the family vacation photos and have something that's compatible with their "Turbo Tax" software. In this case, the younger family members, the gamer, would have very little input as to which computer is actually purchased.

You won't be finding too many 10-22 year olds walking into a store and dropping $500-$800 bucks on a computer.....that's what consoles are for. The first computer for MOST people, excluding consoles, would be the laptop they get before going to college. Nowadays though, it's not too uncommon to see the younger market attaching to tablets.
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