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Would suck for games if they just added more cores and didn't work on IPC. Throw all the cores you want at it, but it'll strain like crazy once those 2 -4 threaded games keep popping out. (unless it had like a cascading turbo boost where 2 cores @ 5ghz, 4 cores @ 4.8ghz, 6 cores @ 4.6ghz, 8 cores @ 4.4 ghz, 10 cores @ 4.2 ghz, 12 cores @ 4ghz.

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A 12 core wouldn't about gaming performance. It would be about beating intel in multithreaded for 200 less.

"Would suck for games"

"A 12 core wouldn't be about gaming performance"

You guys fail to see where the industry is headed. More and more games are making use of multi-threading, most notably Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3. The FX architecture performs very well in these games. This trend will only continue to grow into the future and the FX architecture will be a powerhouse for gaming. IPC is important, but the way of the future is multi-threading. Its only a matter of time people.
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"Would suck for games"

"A 12 core wouldn't be about gaming performance"

You guys fail to see where the industry is headed. More and more games are making use of multi-threading, most notably Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3. The FX architecture performs very well in these games. This trend will only continue to grow into the future and the FX architecture will be a powerhouse for gaming. IPC is important, but the way of the future is multi-threading. Its only a matter of time people.

Indeed. I'd just hate to have cores sit idling while 4-8 other cores are maxing 100%

Though the thought of folding on 6 cores while gaming on the other 6 would be pretty neat.
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I want an AWESOME AMD chip so bad!

Yeah, I'd like an AMD system as well. My last one was an Athlon XP2800+. Fingers are crossed for Steamroller.
post #614 of 953
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"Would suck for games"

"A 12 core wouldn't be about gaming performance"

You guys fail to see where the industry is headed. More and more games are making use of multi-threading, most notably Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3. The FX architecture performs very well in these games. This trend will only continue to grow into the future and the FX architecture will be a powerhouse for gaming. IPC is important, but the way of the future is multi-threading. Its only a matter of time people.

The irony of this is that although the FX CPUs perform very well in these games, the GTX 680s and above tend to beat the HD 7950/70s in these games... I agree though. more and more software of all types, not just gaming, are focused more on multithreaded operations... After all... it makes no sense from an efficiency standpoint to write software in such a fashion to force CPUs to have more and more cores as opposed to utilizing multiple threads and maintaining a smaller die size. As is the LGA 2011 CPUs aren't much smaller than the Opterons, lol. To be honest I think more than 8-12 cores/threads for a desktop/gaming CPU is overkill. Now for a folding rig / server it totally makes sense, but that's a far different purpose being served by the processor. I think the way things are going we're going to see AMD eventually (I could see this happening within 5, maybe 10 years) have to adopt multiple threads per core. Either that or the die size is going to get ridiculously small in order to keep CPU size down to a reasonable level.
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The irony of this is that although the FX CPUs perform very well in these games, the GTX 680s and above tend to beat the HD 7950/70s in these games... I agree though. more and more software of all types, not just gaming, are focused more on multithreaded operations... After all... it makes no sense from an efficiency standpoint to write software in such a fashion to force CPUs to have more and more cores as opposed to utilizing multiple threads and maintaining a smaller die size. As is the LGA 2011 CPUs aren't much smaller than the Opterons, lol. To be honest I think more than 8-12 cores/threads for a desktop/gaming CPU is overkill. Now for a folding rig / server it totally makes sense, but that's a far different purpose being served by the processor. I think the way things are going we're going to see AMD eventually (I could see this happening within 5, maybe 10 years) have to adopt multiple threads per core. Either that or the die size is going to get ridiculously small in order to keep CPU size down to a reasonable level.

Amd already is saving die space by having just 2 integer cores backed by the resources of one core. This gives them dual core performance in integer applications, and decent scaling in mutithread workloads. Another reason you will see a Thuban X6 beat a 8 core FX processor is due to the FPU unts. The Thuban has 6 Fpus while the FX has 4. Granted the opposite is true when talking about integer cores. The FX has 8 the thuban has 6.

Cpu's are going to change a lot over the next few years. We seen them add graphcs to the cpus, now they will soon be leveraging the graphics resources and sharing system resources between the cpu and iGP. Ie open cl, and other things.

I'd like to see a 12 core Pd come out, it wouldn't be aimed at gamers. Heck some could argue that Amd's current line up of processors is not aimed at gamers, but for workstation use.
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Amd already is saving die space by having just 2 integer cores backed by the resources of one core. This gives them dual core performance in integer applications, and decent scaling in mutithread workloads. Another reason you will see a Thuban X6 beat a 8 core FX processor is due to the FPU unts. The Thuban has 6 Fpus while the FX has 4. Granted the opposite is true when talking about integer cores. The FX has 8 the thuban has 6.

Cpu's are going to change a lot over the next few years. We seen them add graphcs to the cpus, now they will soon be leveraging the graphics resources and sharing system resources between the cpu and iGP. Ie open cl, and other things.

I'd like to see a 12 core Pd come out, it wouldn't be aimed at gamers. Heck some could argue that Amd's current line up of processors is not aimed at gamers, but for workstation use.

AMD and Nvidia are adding CPU cores, or serialized computing units, to their GPUs architectures. It's all very uncertain as of this moment, but AMDs speculated approach could be more powerful, since it seems obvious they will be using some sort of x86 architecture for their serialized computing units, against Nvidia's most probable ARM serialized computing units.

So we have CPU+GPU, soon we will have GPUs with some CPU bits inside... and tfor the future we need a chipset that has CPU+GPU+everything. For Frickfrock's Sake , we want everything into EVERYTHING!! wink.gif

AND MOAR CORES!! biggrin.gif
    
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12 PD cores 4GHz might actually get close to a stock clocked SB-E...

Makes sense, given that when you're using all threads, a PD Module is roughly equal to two SB threads in certain circumstances, expect to see Video Encoding, 7zip and maybe WinRAR compression match SB-e.

Overclocked the SB-e would likely win, but of course if the PD overclocked really well it might be able to gain a little. (Doubtful)
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Would suck for games if they just added more cores and didn't work on IPC. Throw all the cores you want at it, but it'll strain like crazy once those 2 -4 threaded games keep popping out. (unless it had like a cascading turbo boost where 2 cores @ 5ghz, 4 cores @ 4.8ghz, 6 cores @ 4.6ghz, 8 cores @ 4.4 ghz, 10 cores @ 4.2 ghz, 12 cores @ 4ghz.

Not really, if it hit 5Ghz stable on high-end air or water that's more than enough for 95% of games out there, unless you mainly play SC2 or something you'd never notice the difference...Especially if you went 1440p or the like.

The benefit of it as well is that you can have it doing other stuff (Such as encoding) while you game, like when I play Sins of a Solar Empire on my i5, I dedicate one core to it and the other 3 to anything else that may be running. The FX would be faster as it'd have 7 cores, not 3 to do other things.
    
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12 core Vishera would easily manhandle a 4770K in everything multithreaded.
yeah but then intel would go all moar cores! on ya... and due to better cores well amd would be beat again. intel dont release 8 core i7's to mainsttream cos they already winning with half that smile.gif
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yeah but then intel would go all moar cores! on ya... and due to better cores well amd would be beat again. intel dont release 8 core i7's to mainsttream cos they already winning with half that smile.gif
I call BULL. If they could they would. Sandbagging is not at play here. The last thing Intel would want is for AMD to close the gap or pull ahead. Wasting time and not pulling out your best at given intervals is real poor business. It has been concurred by the masses that Intel has brought nothing outstanding to the table in years. Had they made some advancement more than a rehash in the last year you might have a point. Even then when you consider the mainstream market APU's (don't care to bring in the extreme and what ifs), AMD is leading that over Intel and Intels new releases in that market, al-be-it improved upon previous offerings, still pale in comparison to AMD's. So I seriously doubt there is sandbagging. If you wish to make Intels lack of progression all warm and fuzzy, fine but don't feed me crap and call it cuisine.
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yeah but then intel would go all moar cores! on ya... and due to better cores well amd would be beat again. intel dont release 8 core i7's to mainsttream cos they already winning with half that smile.gif

Maybe but if the fx 9000 was a Sneak attack 10 core release intel would basically be screwed because they cancelled Broadwell and will just be giving us a new stepping in a year. This is amds first real chance to overtake intel
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