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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

I call BULL. If they could they would.

Are you implying Intel couldn't release 8-core parts without remaining profitable, despite the fact that they have had native 8-core SB-E dies in consumer parts for years now?
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

Even then when you consider the mainstream market APU's (don't care to bring in the extreme and what ifs), AMD is leading that over Intel and Intels new releases in that market, al-be-it improved upon previous offerings, still pale in comparison to AMD's.

This may be vaguely the case for LGA desktop parts, but Iris Pro/HD 5xxx is an enormous improvement over previous generations and shows that Intel is serious about APUs. They may even be improving faster than AMD in this regard. It's really a pretty innovative part, especially the 128MiB eDRAM L4 cache that can be used by the CPU and IGP that goes a long way to alleviating memory bandwidth bottlenecks.
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Maybe but if the fx 9000 was a Sneak attack 10 core release intel would basically be screwed because they cancelled Broadwell and will just be giving us a new stepping in a year. This is amds first real chance to overtake intel

You can't do a "sneak attack 10 core release".

Neither AMD nor Intel could develop, build, and release a significantly new part without significant details being released months, if not years, prior. CPU's aren't released into a vacuum either, all sorts of partners have to be given all sorts of information and ES parts to prepare for a release.

Even just tacking on cores on to Vishera would require a lot of time, work, and other resources. We'd hear about the development, the initial tapeouts, the engineering samples sent out for validation, and there would be leaks galore.

Putting all that aside and looking at the hypothetical scenario anyway, how would Intel be screwed?

A 10-core Piledriver or even Steamroller based part would be just as large as, and probably still significantly slower than an 8-core SB-E, or an 8-core Ivy-E. If Intel had to, it could stop disabling SB-E cores, or release a fully enabled 8 or 10 core Ivy-E, and price them competitively, with the same or greater profit margin.

Even in the worst case scenario, where Intel would have to sell some parts at a loss while it rushed out new ones, you have to consider than Intel is much healthier as a business, and has tons of money on hand to weather possible storms.

Intel would have to make an enormous mistake to "be screwed". Do you remember Netburst? Except for a brief period after the release of the P4C and before the Athlon 64, AMD had appreciably better parts, overall, for several consecutive years. Intel did far better than just survival during that period. The current and plausible future situation don't look anywhere near as bad as Netburst vs. K7 and K8 were.
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

Thinking that Intel is just going to throw more cores at it to compete with AMD if AMD gets an advantage is forgetting one big thing, and it's that Intel doesn't care about us anymore. Even if Intel fell behind Steamroller in multi-thread (which should happen, 8350 is already capable of trading blows with 3770k there), Intel simply doesn't care about enthusiasts anymore so they're not going to do it. It's become a place for them to sell off the dies that aren't good enough to go into low power platforms, which seems to be all they care about now.

No one really cares about enthusiasts, but CPU performance, in absolute terms, in performance per watt, and performance per dollar matter to far more than enthusiasts.

If AMD releases a decisively better CPU line than Intel, they will gain in market share, and Intel will move to compete/counter.
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

This chip might be pretty damn silly with a 220w TDP stock, but at least AMD is trying to make some sort of out reach to the "PC GAMERZ!"

If this chip is real, it's nothing of the sort; it's just marketing push and a way to increase margins on the best Vishera dies.

Enthusiasts who want a 5GHz Vishera can go out and buy a golden FX-8350 now.
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yeah but then intel would go all moar cores! on ya... and due to better cores well amd would be beat again. intel dont release 8 core i7's to mainsttream cos they already winning with half that smile.gif

They already have 8 cores, they cost about as much as an EE Hexacore and won't OC at all.

Honestly, at most I reckon we'd see a 10 core IB-e or the like, but the main APU range on 1155/1150 will be quads for a while yet...It's the mainstream socket through and through, and mainstream needs more power consumption savings at the moment than anything else.
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Maybe but if the fx 9000 was a Sneak attack 10 core release intel would basically be screwed because they cancelled Broadwell and will just be giving us a new stepping in a year. This is amds first real chance to overtake intel

Nah, AMD needs marketing clout to do more than beat Intel in performance and sales in niches such as the one we occupy.
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Originally Posted by wutang61 View Post

That was exactly what happened with quad cores. "Y U NEED MOAR CORES?"

6 thread + is the future. And the future is now. (Well when new consoles drop) but crysis 3 and bf3 are excellent of examples of where the market is going.

For reference, as of Patch 1.3 results had an FX-8 core barely above an IB i5 and fairly below a IB i7.
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Originally Posted by whtchocla7e View Post

Come on people, stop saying that AMD is safe because the future software will be multi threaded.

No AMD is not safe. Intel will adjust. They will add more cores to level the playing field and we'll be right back to the current situation because their cores will still be faster... doesn't matter how you spin it.

Even if Intel launches a 20 core Broadwell or something that doesn't make their previous CPUs more than quad cores, this argument is more for future proofing...Like those people still on Q6600s.

i7s and FX's will age much better than i5s because of the extra threads.

As for single-threaded performance..AMDs gaining about as much if not more every release, especially since Haswell looks to be another slight jump in performance at best apart from AVX2.
    
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They already have 8 cores, they cost about as much as an EE Hexacore and won't OC at all.

Honestly, at most I reckon we'd see a 10 core IB-e or the like, but the main APU range on 1155/1150 will be quads for a while yet...It's the mainstream socket through and through, and mainstream needs more power consumption savings at the moment than anything else.
Nah, AMD needs marketing clout to do more than beat Intel in performance and sales in niches such as the one we occupy.
For reference, as of Patch 1.3 results had an FX-8 core barely above an IB i5 and fairly below a IB i7.
Even if Intel launches a 20 core Broadwell or something that doesn't make their previous CPUs more than quad cores, this argument is more for future proofing...Like those people still on Q6600s.

i7s and FX's will age much better than i5s because of the extra threads.

As for single-threaded performance..AMDs gaining about as much if not more every release, especially since Haswell looks to be another slight jump in performance at best apart from AVX2.
when i said no 8 cores i wad tslking mainstream not server chips. Also AMD arent gaining that much in single core performance. If they were they would be beating sandybridge. whivh they struggle to with their best chips. As said before intel have no need to put out their top notch chips now, on the other hand AMD are in dire need of something special before they get further behind...
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when i said no 8 cores i wad tslking mainstream not server chips. Also AMD arent gaining that much in single core performance. If they were they would be beating sandybridge. whivh they struggle to with their best chips. As said before intel have no need to put out their top notch chips now, on the other hand AMD are in dire need of something special before they get further behind...

They are, Ivy Bridge is just 50% faster at best. SR is meant to be a 30% improvement also, if that's true for multi-threaded with only a minor increase elsewhere (Give or take 5-10%) then that's still gaining on Intel overall with how Haswell is.
    
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This is kinda depressing if all the future AM3+ line-ups are going to be 140W++... its like a socket change basically. I wonder if my Evo will hold up..
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I gotta call BS on that pic... First, Gigabyte has discontinued the UD7 last fall and almost all stock had sold out by this spring and is completely sold out now (ie if you can find a new, unopened UD7, you're going to pay at least $500-600 for it)... before these rumors came around... Second, all the UD5s and UD7s were given the Ultra Durable 5 hardware, not UD4... and Third, I've never heard of any board manufacturer advertising support for AM3+ 5GHz processors... it smells like a pile to me, just saying. That being said... if you look at Intel's top line desktop CPUs, they have TDP anywhere from 95 to 150W, AMD has a long way to catch up to Intel as far as power efficiency and shrinking the die size. But in all honesty, for a desktop CPU, if you're overclocking, you're still looking at a minimum of about 100-110W TDP with an i5-i7K series processor... For desktops, especially those of us that like to overclock it's always going to consume more than other CPUs/APUs... It's just the nature of the beast... like owning a sports car... if you want the performance, you gotta feed it the fuel it needs.

EDIT: I stand corrected.. the UD4 hardware is the next generation up from the UD3 hardware used on the original 990FXA boards.
Edited by SpacemanSpliff - 6/9/13 at 11:55am
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I gotta call BS on that pic... First, Gigabyte has discontinued the UD7 last fall and most stock had sold out by this spring... before these rumors came around... second, I've never heard of any board manufacturer advertising support for AM3+ 5GHz processors... it smells like a pile to me, just saying. That being said... if you look at Intel's top line desktop CPUs, they have TDP anywhere from 95 to 150W, AMD has a long way to catch up to Intel as far as power efficiency and shrinking the die size. But in all honesty, for a desktop CPU, if you're overclocking, you're still looking at a minimum of about 100-110W TDP with an i5-i7K series processor... For desktops, especially those of us that like to overclock it's always going to consume more than other CPUs/APUs... It's just the nature of the beast... like owning a sports car... if you want the performance, you gotta feed it the fuel it needs.

thats a pic from computex which is right beside the updated ud7
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thats a pic from computex which is right beside the updated ud7

From Gigabyte's own website...

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3880#ov

No mention of AM3+ 5GHz support, nor any news releases on their website about an upgraded UD7 coming out. If this "enthusiast line" FX CPU is a reality and coming soon, it wouldn't surprise me if Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI, et al. release updated revisions of their top of the line 990FX boards, but until it's confirmed by any of them and/or AMD actually confirms this CPU and starts feeding us news about a potential release date, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt, lol.

Besides, think of it this way... if Gigabyte knows these new CPUs will eat more power, why on earth would they take a step back in the NB/SB/VRM hardware they're going to use on the boards specifically designed for these power thirsty processors?


EDIT: I stand corrected.. the UD4 hardware is the next generation up from the UD3 hardware used on the original 990FXA boards.
Edited by SpacemanSpliff - 6/9/13 at 11:54am
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Bwhahaha! Would be a darn shame if this was true. The UD7 running an 5GHz FX...It sucks badly enough as it is with it's vdrop issues and it's lack of LLC. Honestly, this mobo was my worst purchase *ever*.
I guess this is what you get, when you don't research your upcoming mobo enough (I brought it back when the original BD was coming out). It had a good run and I actually like still being on the good old AWARD BIOS, but next gen?
No going gigabyte, that's for sure.
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Bwhahaha! Would be a darn shame if this was true. The UD7 running an 5GHz FX...It sucks badly enough as it is with it's vdrop issues and it's lack of LLC. Honestly, this mobo was my worst purchase *ever*.
I guess this is what you get, when you don't research your upcoming mobo enough (I brought it back when the original BD was coming out). It had a good run and I actually like still being on the good old AWARD BIOS, but next gen?
No going gigabyte, that's for sure.
/rant

woah, it sucks that bad?
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i5 3570k 4.2GHz 1.25v Asus Z77-A Asus R9 280X 3GB Core 1000MHz 1.2v Memory 6000M... 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 2T 1.5v 
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Samsung Evo 840 120GB Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 24" 1920x1080 68Hz Corsair AX860i 
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Gaming Rig
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570k 4.2GHz 1.25v Asus Z77-A Asus R9 280X 3GB Core 1000MHz 1.2v Memory 6000M... 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 2T 1.5v 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Samsung Evo 840 120GB Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 24" 1920x1080 68Hz Corsair AX860i 
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