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Originally Posted by HYPERDRIVE View Post

Oh wow, I thought it would be at least close to nahalem/ i7

Vishera is competitive with Nehalem stock clock to stock clock. Steamroller will hopefully change that to IPC to IPC.
Edited by Vesku - 6/10/13 at 7:35am
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Even bulldozers soundly beat my venerable Q9450@3.2Ghz while gaming,it is not even close. Old tech is old.
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30% behind... Steamroller will have 15-20% IPC improvements over Piledriver or even more hopefully.

It varies from 0% to 55% slower in IPC depending on the workload, some workloads are equally fast or faster on a PD (eg. 7zip is faster than an i7, and encoding is generally starting to reach i7 levels) while most are faster on SB/IB.
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Oh wow, I thought it would be at least close to nahalem/ i7

If you don't use AVX and the like then even the latest Haswells are still surprisingly close to Nehalem in IPC, the main reason SB was so much faster was purely from clock speed and not IPC. (The same reason that a PD can match a Core 2 in IPC for gaming, etc but still beat an IB i7 in the right circumstances)
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Yes because all these new instructions are so widely used and relevant for your average enthusiast?

In the huge majority of applications PD's single core perf clock for clock is about on par with Core 2. There's nothing biased about saying that. It's the truth.

If we're talking about our average enthusiast, I'd wager that it'd be hard for them to even notice the difference, and that any CPU that has 4 threads and is newer than a Core 2 would be enough for most of what they do.
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Bulldozer was a flop and Piledriver was mere tweak, Steamroller should introduce many improvements and noticeably decrease die size.

How will Steamroller decrease the die size if they're doubling up ALUs, AGUs, L1, and the entire front-end? 28nm vs 32nm allows for ~30% more transistors; dunno if they'll be able to fit into that threshold with all they're adding. High-density libraries, if they actually are going to be implemented with Steamroller as recently rumored (and not Excavator as previously announced), probably would allow for that, though.
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He's not really very good on the details. The die size being smaller would be due to going from GF 32nm to GF 28nm.
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keeping up with the instruction set talk a couple posts before.
what are most games using nowdays? something dumb like x87 or are they at least offering SSE4 support?
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If you don't use AVX and the like then even the latest Haswells are still surprisingly close to Nehalem in IPC, the main reason SB was so much faster was purely from clock speed and not IPC. (The same reason that a PD can match a Core 2 in IPC for gaming, etc but still beat an IB i7 in the right circumstances)

Agreed. There's a significant difference between a 1.6 GHz i7 quad core (i7 720qm) and a 3 GHz i7 quad core. The highest end mobile i7 Nehalem only went up to 2 GHz; that's nearly a 1 GHz difference between the lower end IB i7s.
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keeping up with the instruction set talk a couple posts before.
what are most games using nowdays? something dumb like x87 or are they at least offering SSE4 support?

That varies between developers. Crysis 3 another other highly optimized games most likely use above SSE2.

Meanwhile, Wargame Airland Battle (released a few days ago) appears to still only support dual cores.
Edited by A Bad Day - 6/10/13 at 10:20am
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In the huge majority of applications PD's single core perf clock for clock is about on par with Core 2. There's nothing biased about saying that. It's the truth.
I guess some unbiased programms like Cinebench will proof that you are right.
Sadly.
Cause obviously everyone would love to see a crazy AMD CPU that gets 150GFlops with two cores and only 2.4GHz with PLENTY overclock headroom...
Edit: And a bad headache for Intel.
Edited by Mr.Eiht - 6/10/13 at 10:23am
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If we ditch all the current instruction set capabilities, and actual improvements of the cores, we might as well go back to the Athlon64.

Your comparison completely neglected the fact that PD comes with a lot of instruction set addons that would destroy a Core2, and even a Nehalem so bad in the dust, it's not even funny.

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Depends on the workload. Use AVX and it puts Nehalem to shame, just like Sandy did/does.

Yes because all these new instructions are so widely used and relevant for your average enthusiast?

In the huge majority of applications PD's single core perf clock for clock is about on par with Core 2. There's nothing biased about saying that. It's the truth.

Oh alatar, you are so kawaii!

I will tell you what. If instructions "don't matter", let us compare Blender BMW benchmark scores. I rendered it in 1:43 in Gentoo after optimizing blender. My friends 4ghz 3930k was about 30% slower than me. I even bet a 16 core Xeon system by about 30 seconds.

But of course you are out in classic "I'm an unbiased mod" Alatar form, by implying that a high frequency, low IPC design is bad because the IPC is similar between that and a high frequency, low IPC design. And to top it off, you don't even post proof, you just do a good old "hey it's the truth!!!! BELIEVE ME!!!" It is kind of funny, I don't really remember Core 2 Duos breaking 5ghz for 24/7 usage or even for benchmarking on forums.

You know Alatar, Intel actually pays people to go into forums and defend their company like you do. It's called Intel PIE, you should definitely look into joining (if you haven't already). You can get paid to shill for Intel non-stop on the internet! I am quite sure you even get bonus points for crapping all over AMD threads. And a member like you would be extremely valuable for Intel PIE marketing agency, specially because someone as biased as you has somehow managed to end up as a moderator in a forum! However I have no idea if you're actually in PIE or if you just feel threatened or you have some sort of Freudian issue going on in your head and you compensate for your issues by spending lots of money on computer hardware and then vigorously defending it on the internets.

And of course you should know, I hold you in the highest regards. I am quite sure you're struggling to delete this post or report it or something, but guess what? It's going to show up in the moderation log anyways. I wonder what would happen if this post shows up as being deleted by alatar? I would imagine you could have some very nice implications.

However you are rather predictable and I have no doubt in my mind that after reading this, you will give a one or two sentence rebuttal along the lines of 'that's not even what I was talking about!' (and by telling you this I might actually get you to take this seriously, which would be great, I'd love for you to try and sound intelligent for once, it'd be kawaiii!!!!! <3 However I'm not doing this to reach you, you're either on someone's pay check or so lost in your own little hardware rig and the companies that made it happen that nothing would ever change your mind.

So yes, overall I'm rather tired of reading your inane text. You're biased and the fact that I have to read your drivel constantly while seeing a honking title that says "LOOK AT ME IM A MOD LOOK AT MY RIG IM RICH WATCH ME DEFEND 80% MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 15% MORE PERFORMANCE!!!!' really, really irks me.

Anyways, regarding FX 9000, this whole thing probably has to do with 6800k having such good clocks. I was in the Haswell thread and a forum post was linked stating that someone was seeing very good results on 6800k overclocking. Perhaps this new 4.8ghz base clock part shares some things similar to what AMD has done with Richland?

It almost feels as though AMD has found something (maybe RCM?) that lets it get a lot more frequency out of parts on the same process node.
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Bulldozer was a flop and Piledriver was mere tweak, Steamroller should introduce many improvements and noticeably decrease die size.

Don't expect to see that noticeable a difference in the die size reduction... after all they're only going from 32nm to 28nm.
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