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I hope they can do better with single core performance this time around. When I play SC2 my old 955 with a HD6950 struggled to deliver 15fps during late game while my new 4770k with the integrated graphics stays constantly at 90-100fps all time.
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Oh alatar, you are so kawaii!
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


I will tell you what. If instructions "don't matter", let us compare Blender BMW benchmark scores. I rendered it in 1:43 in Gentoo after optimizing blender. My friends 4ghz 3930k was about 30% slower than me. I even bet a 16 core Xeon system by about 30 seconds.

But of course you are out in classic "I'm an unbiased mod" Alatar form, by implying that a high frequency, low IPC design is bad because the IPC is similar between that and a high frequency, low IPC design. And to top it off, you don't even post proof, you just do a good old "hey it's the truth!!!! BELIEVE ME!!!" It is kind of funny, I don't really remember Core 2 Duos breaking 5ghz for 24/7 usage or even for benchmarking on forums.

You know Alatar, Intel actually pays people to go into forums and defend their company like you do. It's called Intel PIE, you should definitely look into joining (if you haven't already). You can get paid to shill for Intel non-stop on the internet! I am quite sure you even get bonus points for crapping all over AMD threads. And a member like you would be extremely valuable for Intel PIE marketing agency, specially because someone as biased as you has somehow managed to end up as a moderator in a forum! However I have no idea if you're actually in PIE or if you just feel threatened or you have some sort of Freudian issue going on in your head and you compensate for your issues by spending lots of money on computer hardware and then vigorously defending it on the internets.

And of course you should know, I hold you in the highest regards. I am quite sure you're struggling to delete this post or report it or something, but guess what? It's going to show up in the moderation log anyways. I wonder what would happen if this post shows up as being deleted by alatar? I would imagine you could have some very nice implications.

However you are rather predictable and I have no doubt in my mind that after reading this, you will give a one or two sentence rebuttal along the lines of 'that's not even what I was talking about!' (and by telling you this I might actually get you to take this seriously, which would be great, I'd love for you to try and sound intelligent for once, it'd be kawaiii!!!!! <3 However I'm not doing this to reach you, you're either on someone's pay check or so lost in your own little hardware rig and the companies that made it happen that nothing would ever change your mind.

So yes, overall I'm rather tired of reading your inane text. You're biased and the fact that I have to read your drivel constantly while seeing a honking title that says "LOOK AT ME IM A MOD LOOK AT MY RIG IM RICH WATCH ME DEFEND 80% MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 15% MORE PERFORMANCE!!!!' really, really irks me.

Anyways, regarding FX 9000, this whole thing probably has to do with 6800k having such good clocks. I was in the Haswell thread and a forum post was linked stating that someone was seeing very good results on 6800k overclocking. Perhaps this new 4.8ghz base clock part shares some things similar to what AMD has done with Richland?

It almost feels as though AMD has found something (maybe RCM?) that lets it get a lot more frequency out of parts on the same process node.


Lol. You realize Alatar has bought multiple Amd chips right? And that he is an active bencher? I'd think he'd pretty well know what he's talking about. He might like intel better, and be biased towards them, but that perhaps that is because in his experience, Amd chips just don't preform as well?

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Originally Posted by nvidiaftw12 View Post

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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

Oh alatar, you are so kawaii! Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


I will tell you what. If instructions "don't matter", let us compare Blender BMW benchmark scores. I rendered it in 1:43 in Gentoo after optimizing blender. My friends 4ghz 3930k was about 30% slower than me. I even bet a 16 core Xeon system by about 30 seconds.


But of course you are out in classic "I'm an unbiased mod" Alatar form, by implying that a high frequency, low IPC design is bad because the IPC is similar between that and a high frequency, low IPC design. And to top it off, you don't even post proof, you just do a good old "hey it's the truth!!!! BELIEVE ME!!!" It is kind of funny, I don't really remember Core 2 Duos breaking 5ghz for 24/7 usage or even for benchmarking on forums.


You know Alatar, Intel actually pays people to go into forums and defend their company like you do. It's called Intel PIE, you should definitely look into joining (if you haven't already). You can get paid to shill for Intel non-stop on the internet! I am quite sure you even get bonus points for crapping all over AMD threads. And a member like you would be extremely valuable for Intel PIE marketing agency, specially because someone as biased as you has somehow managed to end up as a moderator in a forum! However I have no idea if you're actually in PIE or if you just feel threatened or you have some sort of Freudian issue going on in your head and you compensate for your issues by spending lots of money on computer hardware and then vigorously defending it on the internets.


And of course you should know, I hold you in the highest regards. I am quite sure you're struggling to delete this post or report it or something, but guess what? It's going to show up in the moderation log anyways. I wonder what would happen if this post shows up as being deleted by alatar? I would imagine you could have some very nice implications.


However you are rather predictable and I have no doubt in my mind that after reading this, you will give a one or two sentence rebuttal along the lines of 'that's not even what I was talking about!' (and by telling you this I might actually get you to take this seriously, which would be great, I'd love for you to try and sound intelligent for once, it'd be kawaiii!!!!! <3 However I'm not doing this to reach you, you're either on someone's pay check or so lost in your own little hardware rig and the companies that made it happen that nothing would ever change your mind.


So yes, overall I'm rather tired of reading your inane text. You're biased and the fact that I have to read your drivel constantly while seeing a honking title that says "LOOK AT ME IM A MOD LOOK AT MY RIG IM RICH WATCH ME DEFEND 80% MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 15% MORE PERFORMANCE!!!!' really, really irks me.


Anyways, regarding FX 9000, this whole thing probably has to do with 6800k having such good clocks. I was in the Haswell thread and a forum post was linked stating that someone was seeing very good results on 6800k overclocking. Perhaps this new 4.8ghz base clock part shares some things similar to what AMD has done with Richland?


It almost feels as though AMD has found something (maybe RCM?) that lets it get a lot more frequency out of parts on the same process node.


Lol. You realize Alatar has bought multiple Amd chips right? And that he is an active bencher? I'd think he'd pretty well know what he's talking about. He might like intel better, and be biased towards them, but that perhaps that is because in his experience, Amd chips just don't preform as well?

And I've bought multiple Intel chips and am often called an AMD fanboy. I fail to see your point. And if he thinks instructions on a CISC architecture means nothing then he doesn't know what he's talking about. He may be good at ?running benchmarks? if you want to call that a skill and ?buying things like phase change coolers? but that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. However I find it rather odd that a random person would defend Alatar so vigorously while knowing so much about him. I'm not going to make accusations of things but if you actually are on an alternate account, I'm not impressed at all at your level of intellect.

As for FX 9000 series, I found these regarding Richland overclocking.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2823879

Claimed on AMD FX watercooler

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2821812

Claimed by Flank3r to be done ON AIR

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2814531

Claimed another air

I am really, really hoping that what AMD did to Richland shows up in FX 9000 series, this is amazing. I might even buy one if they're not too expensive just for the fun.
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FX 4300 vs i5 750
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=109

You can see here that with Vishera FX series they are roughly at the Nehalem level when comparing SKUs. A FX-4300 matches up pretty closely to a i5-750, the problem is that Bulldozer was supposed to have at least that level of performance. AMD has been perpetually been behind schedule since the original Phenom.

Now it is actually slower in a few things in that link but really a lot of that is more due to what being 20% of the market vs 80% of the market means for developer support than anything that can be designed for. After all AMD can't legally copy Intel's chips transistor for transistor and can't control how things are coded and compiled.

Now if Steamroller is a 15-20% improvement and GlobalFoundries 28nm process doesn't suck as bad as their 32nm did at launch then AMD will have very competitive products to offer vs Haswell.

FX 6300 vs i7 860
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/699?vs=108

FX 8350 vs i7 950
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=100

If Haswell is truly extended through all of next year as has been indicated by slides it's a chance for AMD to make up for the schedule slips.
Edited by Vesku - 6/10/13 at 11:20am
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And I've bought multiple Intel chips and am often called an AMD fanboy. I fail to see your point. And if he thinks instructions on a CISC architecture means nothing then he doesn't know what he's talking about. He may be good
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

at ?running benchmarks? if you want to call that a skill and ?buying things like phase change coolers? but that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. However I find it rather odd that a random person would defend Alatar so vigorously while knowing so much about him. I'm not going to make accusations of things but if you actually are on an alternate account, I'm not impressed at all at your level of intellect.

As for FX 9000 series, I found these regarding Richland overclocking.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2823879

Claimed on AMD FX watercooler

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2821812

Claimed by Flank3r to be done ON AIR

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2814531

Claimed another air

I am really, really hoping that what AMD did to Richland shows up in FX 9000 series, this is amazing. I might even buy one if they're not too expensive just for the fun.

Meh, I don't like seeing accusations unless I know there is validity in it. So far I have only made a very simple statement and you've already questioned if I'm even who I say I am.

 

And what makes you qualified to say how much instruction sets matter?


Edited by nvidiaftw12 - 6/10/13 at 11:15am
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snip

since you're so fond of my short replies, I'll start with this:

>Average enthusiast
>Gentoo


top lel


Anyways, since you obviously didn't understand my post and took it as me saying that instructions in general don't matter. I'm just going to point out that I never said such a thing and that I was only referring to the sorts of rare-ish new instructions that Artikbot was talking about. You know, the kind that aren't used in the huge majority of applications that your average enthusiast would use. New instructions that might be a big thing in the future but aren't going to affect the 99% of people using these chips in the next few years.

What is the average OCNer going to do? Run applications where AVX is a huge thing or game and put up some benching scores? I'd say it's the latter.

And I'm not going to even address the windows vs. gentoo blender results or the rant about my buying habits... Suffice to say that I buy hardware because it's my hobby. I also bench which is why AMD CPUs are utterly useless for me. I'll most likely end up buying steamroller just like I bought a 4770K/Z87X-OC setup. However I'll also be rolling with my high end stuff in my sig.
 
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How will Steamroller decrease the die size if they're doubling up ALUs, AGUs, L1, and the entire front-end? 28nm vs 32nm allows for ~30% more transistors; dunno if they'll be able to fit into that threshold with all they're adding. High-density libraries, if they actually are going to be implemented with Steamroller as recently rumored (and not Excavator as previously announced), probably would allow for that, though.

There's the condensing of the FPU cores by sharing parts of the MMX unit with the FMACs, that should result in some size reduction and thermal improvements.
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Guys this has gotten totally off topic. I'm no admin so maybe this is ok but the rumored chips haven't actually been mentioned in pages. Seeing as everything interesting to speculate has already been said, this thread is probably best off closed.
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Guys this has gotten totally off topic. I'm no admin so maybe this is ok but the rumored chips haven't actually been mentioned in pages. Seeing as everything interesting to speculate has already been said, this thread is probably best off closed.
finally an AMD guy that stated something logical..
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Don't expect to see that noticeable a difference in the die size reduction... after all they're only going from 32nm to 28nm.
SR being a radically different microarch may allow die size reduction with some die optimization, it's not impossible. BD/PD's bugged right now because it is a huge die and largely didn't follow the early specs as to how size-efficient it is and still didn't ... It was rushed.
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