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Oh alatar, you are so kawaii!

I will tell you what. If instructions "don't matter", let us compare Blender BMW benchmark scores. I rendered it in 1:43 in Gentoo after optimizing blender. My friends 4ghz 3930k was about 30% slower than me. I even bet a 16 core Xeon system by about 30 seconds.

But of course you are out in classic "I'm an unbiased mod" Alatar form, by implying that a high frequency, low IPC design is bad because the IPC is similar between that and a high frequency, low IPC design. And to top it off, you don't even post proof, you just do a good old "hey it's the truth!!!! BELIEVE ME!!!" It is kind of funny, I don't really remember Core 2 Duos breaking 5ghz for 24/7 usage or even for benchmarking on forums.

You know Alatar, Intel actually pays people to go into forums and defend their company like you do. It's called Intel PIE, you should definitely look into joining (if you haven't already). You can get paid to shill for Intel non-stop on the internet! I am quite sure you even get bonus points for crapping all over AMD threads. And a member like you would be extremely valuable for Intel PIE marketing agency, specially because someone as biased as you has somehow managed to end up as a moderator in a forum! However I have no idea if you're actually in PIE or if you just feel threatened or you have some sort of Freudian issue going on in your head and you compensate for your issues by spending lots of money on computer hardware and then vigorously defending it on the internets.

And of course you should know, I hold you in the highest regards. I am quite sure you're struggling to delete this post or report it or something, but guess what? It's going to show up in the moderation log anyways. I wonder what would happen if this post shows up as being deleted by alatar? I would imagine you could have some very nice implications.

However you are rather predictable and I have no doubt in my mind that after reading this, you will give a one or two sentence rebuttal along the lines of 'that's not even what I was talking about!' (and by telling you this I might actually get you to take this seriously, which would be great, I'd love for you to try and sound intelligent for once, it'd be kawaiii!!!!! <3 However I'm not doing this to reach you, you're either on someone's pay check or so lost in your own little hardware rig and the companies that made it happen that nothing would ever change your mind.

So yes, overall I'm rather tired of reading your inane text. You're biased and the fact that I have to read your drivel constantly while seeing a honking title that says "LOOK AT ME IM A MOD LOOK AT MY RIG IM RICH WATCH ME DEFEND 80% MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 15% MORE PERFORMANCE!!!!' really, really irks me.

Anyways, regarding FX 9000, this whole thing probably has to do with 6800k having such good clocks. I was in the Haswell thread and a forum post was linked stating that someone was seeing very good results on 6800k overclocking. Perhaps this new 4.8ghz base clock part shares some things similar to what AMD has done with Richland?

It almost feels as though AMD has found something (maybe RCM?) that lets it get a lot more frequency out of parts on the same process node.

This is controlled demolition, very well done sir.

And I must concur that Piledriver's performance in Gentoo is astounding compared to Windows (that is, if you use Gentoo to its full potential and optimize properly). Compiling everything from source is the way to go.
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Bloomfield OCs better than lynnefield, not the other way around.

Only exception is C0 stepping bloomfields but those were very quickly replaced with D0.

900 series i7s = 4.2-4.5GHz max clocks
800 series i7s = 4.0-4.3GHz max clocks
 
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Yes because all these new instructions are so widely used and relevant for your average enthusiast?

In the huge majority of applications PD's single core perf clock for clock is about on par with Core 2. There's nothing biased about saying that. It's the truth.

So now we're resorting to 'average enthusiast' (whatever that means) scenarios...

It's amusing to see your jacket swaps depending on what suits you better.

One day you base your arguments on Cinebench scores, now you're telling me that AVX is irrelevant. rolleyes.gif
   
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Bloomfield OCs better than lynnefield, not the other way around.

Only exception is C0 stepping bloomfields but those were very quickly replaced with D0.

900 series i7s = 4.2-4.5GHz max clocks
800 series i7s = 4.0-4.3GHz max clocks

Average OC on air coolers similar to Hyper 212+ performance?
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So now we're resorting to 'average enthusiast' (whatever that means) scenarios...

It's amusing to see your jacket swaps depending on what suits you better.

One day you base your arguments on Cinebench scores, now you're telling me that AVX is irrelevant. rolleyes.gif

He seems to do that a lot, I dubbed it forum ninjutsu.
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Average OC on air coolers similar to Hyper 212+ performance?

Those numbers he gave seem like he's assuming NH-D14 type coolers tbh.

I'd expect 4.0-4.3GHz out of a Bloomfield with a 212+.
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He seems to do that a lot, I dubbed it forum ninjutsu.

I won't deny I almost spit my glass of milk all over the keyboard lachen.gif
   
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So now we're resorting to 'average enthusiast' (whatever that means) scenarios...

It's amusing to see your jacket swaps depending on what suits you better.

One day you base your arguments on Cinebench scores, now you're telling me that AVX is irrelevant. rolleyes.gif

Yes, average enthusiast because accounting for all the exceptions is impossible. There are situations where the 7970 is clearly faster than the Titan. Does that invalidate the statement that the Titan is around 30% faster than the 7970. Of course it doesn't. Similarly exceptions where piledriver actually has faster single core clock for clock perf than core 2 don't invalidate the statement about PD and Core 2 being about equal when it comes to single core, clock for clock perf. It's about the majority of usage scenarios. What else could it be about?

You're arguing semantics when everyone here should be completely aware that the only possible statement about perf between two different architectures is going to be a generalization.

Also I've yet to see any proof of how cinebench isn't relevant. the HUMA arguments you made back in the day were completely false as they were only about multi CPU systems. Not that Cine is some end all be all bench but it does represent a sizable amount of render engines.
 
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Yes, average enthusiast because accounting for all the exceptions is impossible. There are situations where the 7970 is clearly faster than the Titan. Does that invalidate the statement that the Titan is around 30% faster than the 7970. Of course it doesn't. Similarly exceptions where piledriver actually has faster single core clock for clock perf than core 2 don't invalidate the statement about PD and Core 2 being about equal when it comes to single core, clock for clock perf. It's about the majority of usage scenarios. What else could it be about?

You know... Actual decent software. Or is that asking too much? We're discussing high performance processors. Is it asking too much for properly coded and optimized software to be used?
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You're arguing semantics when everyone here should be completely aware that the only possible statement about perf between two different architectures is going to be a generalization.

Semantics? How is that semantics?
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Also I've yet to see any proof of how cinebench isn't relevant.

I've also got to see any proof of its relevancy. You know, i7-3770K being twice as fast as FX8350, and those sort of things.
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the HUMA arguments you made back in the day were completely false as they were only about multi CPU systems. Not that Cine is some end all be all bench but it does represent a sizable amount of render engines.

hUMA? Cinebench? I said what? Sorry, but... at least don't pull things out of your rear.
   
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You know... Actual decent software. Or is that asking too much? We're discussing high performance processors. Is it asking too much for properly coded and optimized software to be used?

Yes it is asking too much if it means installing gentoo and recompiling stuff yourself. Especially since were on OCN where the majority of people game and bench.

Real world isn't always optimized. Real world isn't fair.
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Semantics? How is that semantics?

My post was clearly about general performance between the architectures. Nitpicking it based on some exceptions and arguing it isn't true because of that is arguing semantics.
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I've also got to see any proof of its relevancy. You know, i7-3770K being twice as fast as FX8350, and those sort of things.

If you actually knew how CPUs behave in cine you'd know that this is about as far from the truth as it can be.

Is this twice as fast?



Does the performance not reflect real world perf in multiple render engines?
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hUMA? Cinebench? I said what? Sorry, but... at least don't pull things out of your rear.

The anandtech quotes you gave in the previous "FX9000" thread. At first glance they looked like they were about how biased cine is but when you actually checked out the article it was about HUMA and didn't affect single GPU systems at all and the proper differences could only be seen in 4p configurations.

Post can be found here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1388021/so-much-amd-hate/180#post_19902181
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