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My friend rangerjr1 has a 8350 5.2 with a noctua.


Well I get along with rangerjr1 quite well, but his claim has been completely discredited in the FX8350-8320 owner's club by people better than me (as far as overclocking technical knowledge).
He was unable to pass stability tests with the Noctua. He accepted the criticism and all have moved on.
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Are there even any AM3+ motherboards right now that can support a TDP of 220W? I'm looking at the AMD VRM database and it looks like the max TDP on the VRM database is 140W.
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Are there even any AM3+ motherboards right now that can support a TDP of 220W?

Any board that can OC any 8-core Bulldozer or Vishera safely will handle a 220w TDP part, probably with plenty of room to spare.
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Yea pretty much any motherboard 200$+ 100% tbh
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Agreed. There's a significant difference between a 1.6 GHz i7 quad core (i7 720qm) and a 3 GHz i7 quad core. The highest end mobile i7 Nehalem only went up to 2 GHz; that's nearly a 1 GHz difference between the lower end IB i7s.

Exactly, and only the dual with HT Nehalem based CPUs stood a chance of clocking like SB did as routine.
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http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2821812

Claimed by Flank3r to be done ON AIR

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2814531

Claimed another air

Proof those are actually on air?
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FX 4300 vs i5 750
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=109

You can see here that with Vishera FX series they are roughly at the Nehalem level when comparing SKUs. A FX-4300 matches up pretty closely to a i5-750, the problem is that Bulldozer was supposed to have at least that level of performance. AMD has been perpetually been behind schedule since the original Phenom.

Now it is actually slower in a few things in that link but really a lot of that is more due to what being 20% of the market vs 80% of the market means for developer support than anything that can be designed for. After all AMD can't legally copy Intel's chips transistor for transistor and can't control how things are coded and compiled.

Now if Steamroller is a 15-20% improvement and GlobalFoundries 28nm process doesn't suck as bad as their 32nm did at launch then AMD will have very competitive products to offer vs Haswell.

FX 6300 vs i7 860
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/699?vs=108

FX 8350 vs i7 950
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=100

If Haswell is truly extended through all of next year as has been indicated by slides it's a chance for AMD to make up for the schedule slips.

Look at the clocks though, AMD will be better off but still not equal to Intel in the areas that people here seem to care about.
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Admittedly I could have added some numbers....

i7 920 OCing potential = 60%
FX8350 OCing potential = 25%

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5GHz/4.25GHz assumed as high end OCs for the chips.

For that to be a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the FX-8320 or i7 975, as it is now you're taking AMDs highest clocked stock CPU and comparing it to Intels lowest clocked stock CPU...Of course the AMD won't clock less, the FX-8320 clocks just as well and comes at 3.5Ghz instead of 3.8.
(For reference, AMD is still behind but this comparison grossly exaggerates how much)

Let me do a proper comparison here based off of hwbots average OC numbers:
i7 920 average OC: 4244Mhz, stock 2670Mhz for a 58.95% increase.
FX-8320 average OC: 4690Mhz, stock 3500Mhz for a 34% increase.

I could get average OCs from other sources (eg. Vishera owners club) too as I've heard that hwbots numbers are a bit low for the FX but I don't want to bother doing that much work.
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Average OC on air coolers similar to Hyper 212+ performance?

Definitely not, the only Nehalems I saw beyond 4.2Ghz were under high-end air or normal water.
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Yes, average enthusiast because accounting for all the exceptions is impossible. There are situations where the 7970 is clearly faster than the Titan. Does that invalidate the statement that the Titan is around 30% faster than the 7970. Of course it doesn't. Similarly exceptions where piledriver actually has faster single core clock for clock perf than core 2 don't invalidate the statement about PD and Core 2 being about equal when it comes to single core, clock for clock perf. It's about the majority of usage scenarios. What else could it be about?

You're arguing semantics when everyone here should be completely aware that the only possible statement about perf between two different architectures is going to be a generalization.

Also I've yet to see any proof of how cinebench isn't relevant. the HUMA arguments you made back in the day were completely false as they were only about multi CPU systems. Not that Cine is some end all be all bench but it does represent a sizable amount of render engines.

For enthusiasts I'd wager a lot of that stuff matters, but when you include workstations, etc I'd wager a lot of the stuff AMD excels in (video encoding for example) is done a hell of a lot more than the gaming stuff most enthusiasts do.
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Which is as relevant as AVX. My point wasn't that Cinebench was irrelevant - it was just another way to say that it is as relevant as the AVX instruction set.

Being fair, it's more relevant than AMD Linux performance...Or we'd see more people buying AMD and the FX series being a bit more expensive as it competes with the i7 3770k in Linux instead of the i5.
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Gentoo matters ever since I was replying to a series of post that had stuff about gentoo in it.

NUMA/HUMA whatever, they shouldn't name their tech like that. The point still stand regardless if I messed up the name of the tech. The quotes from anand had nothing to do with single CPU systems.

And the intel notice means exactly what it says. They do not specifically optimize for AMD products. Tough luck for AMD I guess. Please do not refer to them crippling AMD perf and the lawsuits caused by that. That's years old.

They still do that, though, I believe the guy who first started posting about it has confirmed that something between bugger and all has been done to actually stop the problem. Some of those comments are from this year, too. (one example is that there's two AVX codepaths, one for Intel and one for AMD/VIA that runs slower)
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Can I dogpile him because of 1 letter too? rolleyes.gif You all knew what he was saying. He could have called it UMA and you would have known what the first letter should have been.

Nope, UMA is the complete opposite of NUMA.
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Yes, average enthusiast because accounting for all the exceptions is impossible. There are situations where the 7970 is clearly faster than the Titan. Does that invalidate the statement that the Titan is around 30% faster than the 7970. Of course it doesn't.

Yet again you're making an apples to oranges type of comparison. Part of the reason Titan can be faster than the 7970 is certain scenarios also has to do memory bandwidth... 6GB of DDR5 as opposed to 3GB can and does make a huge difference in bandwidth in certain operations. Let's see someone do a head to head benching of the Sapphire Vapor-X 6GB 7970 vs. Titan and I think that would be a much more fair and honest representation of which is better and faster.
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Yet again you're making an apples to oranges type of comparison. Part of the reason Titan can be faster than the 7970 is certain scenarios also has to do memory bandwidth... 6GB of DDR5 as opposed to 3GB can and does make a huge difference in bandwidth in certain operations. Let's see someone do a head to head benching of the Sapphire Vapor-X 6GB 7970 vs. Titan and I think that would be a much more fair and honest representation of which is better and faster.
Well it better be, being 2.5X more expensive lachen.gif
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one example is that there's two AVX codepaths, one for Intel and one for AMD/VIA that runs slower
Intel every compiler~ current situation:
Intel up to AVX with aligned Ivy Bridge architecture optimizations.
AMD up to SSE2 with unaligned Core optimizations.

Also, expert users of Cinema 4D can get by the ICC with the use of Python for early versions like R10/R11.5. The current version of C4D is based on the Microsoft Compiler with AMD's Open64 as the backend.
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Gentoo matters ever since I was replying to a series of post that had stuff about gentoo in it.

NUMA/HUMA whatever, they shouldn't name their tech like that. The point still stand regardless if I messed up the name of the tech. The quotes from anand had nothing to do with single CPU systems.

And the intel notice means exactly what it says. They do not specifically optimize for AMD products. Tough luck for AMD I guess. Please do not refer to them crippling AMD perf and the lawsuits caused by that. That's years old.

lachen.gif

Thanks for giving me a good laugh thumb.gif
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Intel every compiler~ current situation:
Intel up to AVX with aligned Ivy Bridge architecture optimizations.
AMD up to SSE2 with unaligned Core optimizations.

Also, expert users of Cinema 4D can get by the ICC with the use of Python for early versions like R10/R11.5. The current version of C4D is based on the Microsoft Compiler with AMD's Open64 as the backend.

Thank you Seronx for backing up my statement smile.gif
   
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Thank you Seronx for backing up my statement smile.gif
Just to note, Bulldozer is pretty much as fast as aligned AVX128 with unaligned SSE2-128. Really, the issue with Bulldozer is the latency added because FMA units. The problem was with 00h/10h/10.5h/11h and AMD designed around Intel's unfair compiler with 15h. The only issue with non-optimal SSE2 and Bulldozer software wise is memory instruction power.

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