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Just to note, Bulldozer is pretty much as fast as aligned AVX128 with unaligned SSE2. Really, the issue with Bulldozer is the latency added because FMA units.

I'm reading about this as I write this post. Thanks for the insight!
   
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Yet again you're making an apples to oranges type of comparison. Part of the reason Titan can be faster than the 7970 is certain scenarios also has to do memory bandwidth... 6GB of DDR5 as opposed to 3GB can and does make a huge difference in bandwidth in certain operations. Let's see someone do a head to head benching of the Sapphire Vapor-X 6GB 7970 vs. Titan and I think that would be a much more fair and honest representation of which is better and faster.

6GB isn't going to make a difference most of the time, the speed and latency of the GDDR5 would but that's it in terms of the vRAM used.
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Originally Posted by Seronx View Post

Just to note, Bulldozer is pretty much as fast as aligned AVX128 with unaligned SSE2-128. Really, the issue with Bulldozer is the latency added because FMA units. The problem was with 00h/10h/10.5h/11h and AMD designed around Intel's unfair compiler with 15h. The only issue with non-optimal SSE2 and Bulldozer software wise is memory instruction power.

Notes:
Memory
FMA units

Exactly why the increases from using a different compiler are definitely smaller now.
    
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Models: FX-9590 (4,7/5GHz) and 9370 (4,4/4,7GHz)
TDP: 220W
Price: 800$ for the FX-9590

Leaked by pcgameshardware.de (article removed)
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Boy I see that war has been waged against Alatar here as of late. Trust me I have gone rounds with him as well. I admit as of late he has done way better at being less Intel extreme. So unfortunately I have to defend his posts to a slight degree, especially the wrong letter post ie: huma. It wasn't a big enough deal in a forum to warrant the basting he got. So relax, we all know he is a big Intel/ Nvidia fan, and please don't give me the he has AMD GPUs, he hasn't from the pictures he posted, those were ATI. Anyway...

What I see as the issue and what I have tried to argue for a while, but unfortunately it is insanely hard to get others to understand, is that how do you know ACTUAL performance of a chip? You really can't. Cinebench for example, since it makes its way in to every thread about AMD/Intel. You cant say Intel is the best CPU. You can say that with that software Intel is the better performer. Both statements aren't equal. And for the most part Intel does have the upper hand as being the best CPU for a lion's share of the software out there. But that does not mean it is the best nor does it prove it is. Maybe if everyone would stop claiming superiority and just claim the victor without the blanket statement there would be far less flaming.

I'm sorry, as you can see this is real hard to put to words. I prefer AMD, have for a very long time. Most people in here obviously have their preferences as well. I want respect for my choice, not to be belittled for it. That was my original problem with Alatar and I gather the one everyone else has a problem with. So far I see a lot of very knowledgeable people and I like the banter at times, I learn so much. But be forewarned, Your choice may not always be on top, and what then of the bridge you burned?
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Models: FX-9590 (4,7/5GHz) and 9370 (4,4/4,7GHz)
TDP: 220W
Price: 800$ for the FX-9590

Leaked by pcgameshardware.de (article removed)

Unless this is an early, get it first at a premium, Steamroller engineer sample, I can not see it being this expensive. That is a hell of a premium for a cpu clocked at 5ghz when getting that on a 8350 isn't unheard of. I'm less interested in the clocks and more interested in the architecture to be honest.
    
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Models: FX-9590 (4,7/5GHz) and 9370 (4,4/4,7GHz)
TDP: 220W
Price: 800$ for the FX-9590

Leaked by pcgameshardware.de (article removed)


Unless this is an early, get it first at a premium, Steamroller engineer sample, I can not see it being this expensive. That is a hell of a premium for a cpu clocked at 5ghz when getting that on a 8350 isn't unheard of. I'm less interested in the clocks and more interested in the architecture to be honest.

i suppose it is a PR stunt more than an actually useful product. From the TPU Article which states the two products but not their price and the fact that AMD unveils this at E3 (where a good majority would be amazed from the 5Ghz number and won't understand what the CPU is) shows more that the PR is the main aim of this and might be successful enough.

plus, they might change the price.
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i suppose it is a PR stunt more than an actually useful product.

I have also said this countless times.

AMD knows very well it takes more than a 5GHz nuclear power plant to beat Intel's processors. But having such a beast working right out of the bat gives them discussions on forums, and media coverage.

It's all about getting people to know them more.
   
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Thanks for giving me a good laugh thumb.gif
Thank you Seronx for backing up my statement smile.gif

And we're still left at the original point. In the majority of real world applications PD has Core 2 level single core performance clock for clock.

If you rely heavily on some new instruction then please do ignore the statement. Most people don't.
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Models: FX-9590 (4,7/5GHz) and 9370 (4,4/4,7GHz)
TDP: 220W
Price: 800$ for the FX-9590

Leaked by pcgameshardware.de (article removed)

It'll sell maybe 10 units at that price point if AMD is lucky....

I don't see anyone informed getting one unless they have an infinite pool of money or if the chip comes from a sponsor for OCing or something.
 
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And we're still left at the original point. In the majority of real world applications PD has Core 2 level single core performance clock for clock.

If you rely heavily on some new instruction then please do ignore the statement. Most people don't.

The same way a Corvette Z06 performs exactly the same on a traffic jam than a Smart Fortwo.

But that doesn't make the Z06 equally as fast as the Smart, right?
   
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It'll sell maybe 10 units at that price point if AMD is lucky....

I don't see anyone informed getting one unless they have an infinite pool of money or if the chip comes from a sponsor for OCing or something.

So why is the i7-3970X selling somewhat well for its $1000 price tag? You could get the same performance by spending a little over $500 for a i7-3930X, and OC the 3930. Actually, maybe even better performance if you sunk the $500 into your existing water cooling setup.
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