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I guess we'll see as time will tell.
APU = FTW,,

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bulldozer and it's derivatives are AMD's netburst. Poor performance per watt, high TDP, very high clock speeds, and inability to beat similarly positioned(read: not priced) processors from their competitor.

This will pass. I like AMD, and they still do thier damnedest to offer great price to performance ratios. Problem is, the savings might be made up for in the increase in your power bill tongue.gif

I have to be honest though, I kinda want one, if only for the novelty of a 5ghz+ 8-core CPU.
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bulldozer and it's derivatives are AMD's netburst. Poor performance per watt, high TDP, very high clock speeds, and inability to beat similarly positioned(read: not priced) processors from their competitor.

This will pass. I like AMD, and they still do thier damnedest to offer great price to performance ratios. Problem is, the savings might be made up for in the increase in your power bill tongue.gif

I have to be honest though, I kinda want one, if only for the novelty of a 5ghz+ 8-core CPU.

Let's say an amd processor consumes 50w per hour more than an Intel chip. Let's say we run both 24/7 for a year.

That comes to 428.25 kWh over a year for the amd chip over the Intel, average kWh $ in the USA is $0.05. So roughly $22 in a year is spent for 50w 24/7.

Obviously its not 50w over a comparable Intel @ 5.0 GHz so yeah...

Heat in the other hand, now that does matter lol.
     
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You are not very astute my friend. The Kaveri steamroller product will have a 15-20% IPC improvement. It will be greater in Steamroller FX because AMD is tweaking the cache algorithms, branch prediction, and other features that are NOT in the Kaveri product but are in the FX product. AMD made no announcements at Computex related to the FX product so it would behoove you to retract your misinformed remarks.

People seem to forget that the chips on FM2 and AM3+ are not the same, even if they're both Piledriver, Steamroller, etc.
For example, Trinity was different to Vishera internally.
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Speaking of Charlie's article on Richland's secret, does anybody here actually have the $1000 subscription required to read it? I'm very interested in what it could be... minor process tweaks alone shouldn't account for such a huge (~600MHz) average OC increase.

Wasn't it confirmed that Vishera doesn't have RCM, but Trinity did? Maybe because Trinity was their first chip to use RCM, it had issues with it that they've now fixed with Richland and made it clock like crazy. That explains why Trinity clocks a bit worse than Vishera and Richland clocks much better.
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if steamroller actually boasts a 20% IPC increase, it would be a lot more competitive than you think. Remember we are talking about 8 cores, and a extra 20% added to each is a lot.

For example

8350-4.2ghz 20% increase would be 5040mhz therefore if SR were to be clocked at 4.2ghz then it would be equal to the 8350 at 5040mhz. Single thread anyways, things would get funky muticore due to scaling differences perhaps.

20% ipc would really destroy the 4770k. I like you would have my doubts about being able to touch the Intel hex cores with hyper threading, but would definitely be a game changer.

IPC isn't single-threaded alone, though...20% IPC could easily mean 20% gain in IPC when all 8 cores are used or 1, or it could just be the average over all loads. (ie. Everything in between those two extremes)

Most likely, SR will be a lot closer to Intel than before and more like Phenom II was for most people here. Don't get ahead of yourself, people did that with Haswell and BD.
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My take on it will be AMD supremacy in multi-threaded against an I7-4770k and a respectably close 2nd in single threaded against I5-4570k. I think that is very close to how it plays out. It will be Excavator that fixes IMC and cache that will be the chip where AMD achieves total supremacy over Intel. But in every day use and gaming steamroller will be the better choice because the perfotmance in gaming will be better in many instances and competitive in others and the price will be lower.

Going by Anandtechs benches in IPC alone for the Windows 8 encoding (average of 1st and 2nd pass' difference) AMD would need to increase IPC by around 33% or so to match a Haswell i7 in IPC. (Not taking into account that the 2nd pass is a lot longer than the 1st pass is and that Intels turbo core is a lot better than AMDs and may have been activated for at least some of that test, so it's probably a bit lower but 25-30% isn't far off)

Expect AMD to be closer to Intel but still behind, depending on clocks. (Obviously Haswell has an average air OC of around 4.4Ghz on hwbot at the moment so SR can also probably outclock it)
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Yep, because the trend of using more cores over time is going to stop at quad cores...and most actually CPU intensive programs don't have the ability to use plenty of cores. rolleyes.gif
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Why are you quoting the 3770K? Compare it to the 4770K

Haswell is 1.77 single-threaded and 8.56 multi-threaded at stock, so it looks like SR will match an i7 in multi-threaded and be closer to IB but behind Haswell in single-threaded performance if his predictions are right.

I actually can see AMD being very close to Haswell when you consider OCing, if SR clocks like Richland it'll outclock a typical Haswell by a good 600Mhz. Haswell's IPC increase wasn't that big, and it looks like it doesn't clock well compared to SB and IB on average.
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Intel owns like 84% market share. You think huge percentages will flock to amd for one product that might put them close to intel?

Nope, but considering AMD is marketing much more now I could see AMD starting to slowly gain marketshare in a few years.
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bulldozer and it's derivatives are AMD's netburst. Poor performance per watt, high TDP, very high clock speeds, and inability to beat similarly positioned(read: not priced) processors from their competitor.

This will pass. I like AMD, and they still do thier damnedest to offer great price to performance ratios. Problem is, the savings might be made up for in the increase in your power bill tongue.gif

I have to be honest though, I kinda want one, if only for the novelty of a 5ghz+ 8-core CPU.

High TDP compared to mobile optimized architectures, yes. (Normal desktop CPUs from Intel and AMD have always been around the TDP of BD)
What? High clock speeds is something only that Netburst did? I didn't realize the highly clocked IBs and SBs were Netburst based.
Inability to beat similarly positioned CPUs in gaming, when you look at the vast majority of programs that put a load on a CPU they tend to max out the FXs 8 cores and it pulls ahead of its main competitor. (The i5)

Anyone who says this is AMDs Netburst seems to not know much about Netburst, not only was Northwood actually a good chip but BD and the like aren't even anywhere nearly as designed for high clocks as they were, either; they're closer to SB in pipeline length than the actual Netbursts everyone refers to iirc. (Prescott)
    
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Yep, because the trend of using more cores over time is going to stop at quad cores...and most actually CPU intensive programs don't have the ability to use plenty of cores. rolleyes.gif

TL:DR as usual. rolleyes.gif

Here I've highlighted the parts I found comical in their posts.

1. Stating a 30% IPC increase like it's fact and has already happened.

2. Claiming AMD "supremacy"



You know what they say, "seeing is believing".
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It's nice to have a mobo that will run this new CPU. Glad I did go with BD, because in the real world it has performed well for me with no issues.
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How people continue to believe AMD marketing slides and take them at face value, especially AFTER the Bulldozer incident is beyond me. tongue.gif

I look forward to the promised 30% IPC increase, which people are already passing off as factual thumb.gif
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Any more info on the "dreaded" 220watt TDP number? It must be a design limit not a real world limit, but If I'm not mistaken most high end aircoolers can reject way more than 250watts of heat with ease so it should be a moot point.
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220w TDP should be doable by air cooling. considering we have stuff like my cooler, hyper 212+, that can easily overclock a CPU. Which generally induces more wattage, which relates to TDP. My X4 is an unlocked X2, temps are really well unlocked and I can push 1.55/1.5 voltages (cpu/nb) without hesitation. That's pretty freaking high, I assume a lower watt chip (standard 1.35/1.32) for AMD would do much better on temps with my cooling. So I just assume this should be enough, at least for no OC. LC should easily take that 220w TDP and handle it. Might be pushing AC but it'll at least get the job done, maybe a fan boost (such as a 100CFM fan), but that's a minor upgrade when you consider the total speed increase.
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" Game titles are already being announced as optimized for AMD CPUs."
meaning games are written for more threads / cores.

if so then I'd still take the stronger per core quad with HT (Intel) over way lesser per core hex or octo (AMD) chip.
do not sleep on the importance of single core performance, it is still an important aspect.
I just do not see AMD catching Intel.

my opinion of course.
also starting an A10-6800K build so I do still have use for AMD.

With AMD gaining the lion's share of hardware use in console gaming, you will see a lot of major studios driving the software to be more complementary to AMD CPUs and GPUs, not just the multi-threaded performance, but also the variations of instruction sets featured by AMD as opposed to Intel. While there are only two major differences between them (Intel's use of Hyper Threading and Haswell's integration of AVX 2.0 compared to AMD's FMA4 and XOP) each architecture still operates with it's own idiosyncrasies. It may prove to be Excavator or later before AMD has a CPU to truly rival Intel, but so long as they makes performance gains that place them closer to equal with Intel, and continue to offer a good product at significantly lower prices, AMD is going to continue their push to move back towards a competitive/even market share. So unless you're found of paying what you do for Intel CPUs and Intel socket motherboards (let's be honest here, higher end 1150, 1155, and 2011 boards are usually at least 25% more expensive compared to 990FX and A75/A85 boards), it's going to be good all the way around if AMD starts being more successful.

I've liked and used AMD for a long time, and the only processor I didn't like that I've had experience with from Intel was my Northwood B Pentium 4... first gen HT was nowhere near what it is today, lol. All my work and school PCs over the years were Intel CPUs, and 3 of the 4 laptops I've owned were Intel (two i5s and my current Toshiba with an i7) ... If money were no object to me, then I'd be almost always buying Intel for the obvious reasons. But I, like a lot of others that do the kind lots of multi-threaded taskings, needed a workhorse CPU and didn't have the budget to drop on a 3770K or a 3930K. Hell, my motherboard, CPU, and RAM combined cost less than a 3930K when I built my tower. Sometimes you have the money, sometimes you don't, lol. When I got my most recent laptop last August, I had the budget to get it customized from Toshiba to the specs I wanted... For my next tower, may the best performer win for a budget of preferably under $2,500, so there's a strong likelihood I may go Intel if the news on Steamroller is less than promising... just have to wait and see how Kaveri goes so we can find out what to expect with SR desktops.
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