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47 minutes OCCT @ 77C no errors...oh well, there goes my honor and 20+ years experience. (louder and clearer)
Yeah I couldn't believe he called you out. I know better than to question your posts. smile.gif
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I was unaware that running AMD CPUs at 77C was a thing people actually did? Shouldn't it throttle at some point? Unless the thermal protection features were turned off

Sounds a lot like running an intel chip at 105C and then saying it was stable throughout the long test....
 
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I was unaware that running AMD CPUs at 77C was a thing people actually did? Shouldn't it throttle at some point? Unless the thermal protection features were turned off

Sounds a lot like running an intel chip at 105C and then saying it was stable throughout the long test....

1)Shutting off thermal protection is common for this
2) You mean drop cores? shut of APM , and it has to reach 26.5 A on the 12v rail to drop cores.
3) run them at any temp you like, but 77C for K15 for at least a short time is not a big deal. there are are a lot of people here, and with bulldozer that exceed the "1.55v" as a 24/7
4) long test? I specified how long the run was. for day to day use it ran a lot cooler. Os challenged me on a 20-30 minute run. It can "sound like " anything you want it to.
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Sorry mate but turning of thermal protection settings in the bios and then exceeding the thermal limits in a stress test pushing a lot of volts through the CPU on air is a terribad idea.

If you ever wanted to have the quickest way to kill any chip short of putting 2.0v through it on air it's that. ´

Overclocking 101, temperatures + volts at high load = damage. Exceeding thermal limits means that you could not do it on air.
 
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Sorry mate but turning of thermal protection settings in the bios and then exceeding the thermal limits in a stress test pushing a lot of volts through the CPU on air is a terribad idea.

If you ever wanted to have the quickest way to kill any chip short of putting 2.0v through it on air it's that. ´

Overclocking 101, temperatures + volts at high load = damage. Exceeding thermal limits means that you could not do it on air.
I wouldn't question Red he KNOWS what he is doing, probably more than you.
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Exceeding thermal limits in high load stress tests with high volts is the exact opposite of knowing what you're doing.....

You don't do that on any architecture even if some will take it less badly than others.
 
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Sorry mate but turning of thermal protection settings in the bios and then exceeding the thermal limits in a stress test pushing a lot of volts through the CPU on air is a terribad idea.

If you ever wanted to have the quickest way to kill any chip short of putting 2.0v through it on air it's that. ´

Overclocking 101, temperatures + volts at high load = damage. Exceeding thermal limits means that you could not do it on air.

Wow, really? I have to tell you Alatar, you don't have to point out the incredibly obviously, you can just stick to the merely obvious.


1) you have no idea what I was was trying to accomplish
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Exceeding thermal limits in high load stress tests with high volts is the exact opposite of knowing what you're doing.... You don't do that on any architecture even if some will take it less badly than others..
(see, this would fall perfectly under my point #1


2)you have no idea how many volts I had running through the chip
3) a short run of 77c is not by any means a death sentence for a bulldozer
4) It was well under thermal specs for day to day use
5) You need to be talking to your Intel brethren about exceeding thermal/voltage limits, not me
6) That chip is still alive and well (and holding its original overclock)
7) I realize you think you know everything 'mate', but I have 20+ years in AMD experience and don't need your advice, but thanks for your concern over my chips safety.
8) I reported my experience with Big air and FX. I did not promote it, ask others to do it, I just reported on what I have done and the corresponding results. if you don't like the practice or results, you are certainly afforded every opportunity to not duplicate them.

Have a great day smile.gif
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1) you have no idea what I was was trying to accomplish

it doesn't matter, temps over thermal threshold with high volts in a torture test for almost an hour is bad no matter how you look at it
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2)you have no idea how many volts I had running through the chip

You were talking about many people running over 1.55v, you were using BD which is a worse OCer than PD and required generally quite a lot more volts for 5ghz and you were hitting 77C.

I think it's fair to say you were indeed using a ton of volts.
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3) a short run of 77c is not by any means a death sentence for a bulldozer

Nope, but combined with high volts and an extreme load it can be. And in any case it will definitely be bad for the CPU and is not something you should do if you care about the chip.

There's also absolutely no reason for doing it.
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4) It was well under thermal specs for day to day use

Didn't question it. Doesn't make running an hour of 77C any more reasonable.
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5) You need to be talking to your Intel brethren about exceeding thermal/voltage limits, not me

Been a while since I saw someone claiming they were able to run Ivy at 5.2ghz on air only to find out that they were constantly hitting 105C....
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6) That chip is still alive and well (and holding its original overclock)

Didn't say it would die from it immediately.

However you're dramatically increasing the chances of killing it or getting a degraded chip.
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7) I realize you think you know everything 'mate', but I have 20+ years in AMD experience and don't need your advice, but thanks for your concern over my chips safety.

Experience means nothing if you don't get more knowledge as a result of it. I couldn't care less if someone has been OCing since the dawn of time or just started out yesterday if they're saying something that doesn't make sense.
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8) I reported my experience with Big air and FX. I did not promote it, ask others to do it, I just reported on what I have done. if you don't like the results, you are certainly afforded every opportunity to not do it.

You were saying an air cooler can get a FX to 5.1ghz stable but showed a result where you exceeded the thermal limits of the chip. Of course you can post the result but it's just further proof that at least with BD you could not do a stable 5.1 on air.

I've also put a ton of volts through my AMD chips. I have no problem with doing it. The most I've used on my 8320 is 1.848v but I don't do it without good temps, or LN2 in my case.
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seeing how this chips will have turbo core 3.0 anyone have some details on this how will it work what are improvmenets over 2.0 etc
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Been a while since I saw someone claiming they were able to run Ivy at 5.2ghz on air only to find out that they were constantly hitting 105C....

My folding rig Ivy @ 4.9 1.4v+ / 1.835v pll , while on water not air was constantly in 90's , 92-95C running for months @ 100% load folding , while I sold the cpu new owner doesn't have any issues and neither did I. tongue.gif
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