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post #121 of 858
so... delid?

think that would show the improvements over ivy we were hoping for... ipc is pretty much same, but is showing the same release errors as ivy...

hopfully the 14nm will show more increase over haswell than ivy did over sandy...

realistically if your on sandy and going for an upgrade the difference between ivy and haswell may just be your preference in boards(price should be pretty close), and seems that haswell has made some great improvements to chipset and board options
    
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post #122 of 858
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Originally Posted by whtchocla7e View Post

The new part does the same amount of work using less energy. It's more efficient. How is that not significantly better?

You shouldnt care for a desktop cpu. On the desktop part Haswell fails to deliver anything new
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Originally Posted by koniu777 View Post

The reviews are about Haswell K series processors meant for overclocking, not one of the reviews talk about any mobile cpu's. Sorry for being harsh on you but the fact of the matter is that Intel could have created a K cpu with no IGP for the enthusiast market, and a G series for mainstream/htpc folks.
Totally agree sir. I never understood the igpu for Ks. And this was the main reason for me to choose the 3930K smile.gif
And I am really sorry for appearing strange and trollish - was not my intention.
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post #124 of 858
I wonder how many places will out of stock first day even with all the hate? I wonder if anyone is doing pre orders yet like newegg?
 
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post #125 of 858
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Originally Posted by jprovido View Post

from what I've read the average overclock is 4.3-4.4ghz. man I hope they used TIM again for the die and IHS(as stupid as it sounds) temps are horrible

It is, and OCs seem fairly temperature limited too...Voltage might play a part but all in all it's not worth upgrading to from IB or even SB for just the CPU performance. (I'm still deciding, because if I do it's mainly because I want an i7 and a new board anyway and Z87 has a lot of nice new features)
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Originally Posted by Crouch View Post

The i5-4670k is beating the i7-3770k in gaming benchmarks !! Seems like I'll be getting one of those babies for my next build biggrin.gif

You won't notice the difference, there's a bigger difference between AMD and Intel in gaming benchmarks and I'd wager nearly everyone here could have their CPU swapped out for an FX and be none the wiser for a few days at least.
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Originally Posted by Seid Dark View Post

I want higher IPC, I want higher overclocks, I want lower temps.

Fixed, I severely doubt that your i5 is too slow to do virtually anything and everything at a good enough speed.

The best stress test is to run one to do a quick test for stability, and to then test your settings in everything you do and watch carefully for glitches...The amount of times I've had a Prime95/LinX/Furmark/Kombustor stable OC fail even in a game that's easy to run like TF2 is astounding.
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Originally Posted by Davayy View Post

Hardly surprised. Tell you what i am surprised about, anyone recall thatIntel Engineer do an AMA on Reddit a little while ago? Said "Haswell would be an overclocker's dream". Irony.

Honestly, I'm waiting for user reviews for that aspect...There's been quite a few times when the ways to get the best OC has changed for a platform and review sites get a lower OC than what actually happens in the wild.
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Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

If you really need something THAT much faster than what's out, then you've got serious problems. rolleyes.gif

That's what I want to know...What are you all running that won't already nearly always be fast enough on an FX, let alone an i5/i7? Even the few games where the CPU is the limitation (eg. Civ V, Sins of a Solar Empire, etc) the problem lies in the software and not the hardware...Get those games using more than 1-2 cores. For reference, I went from an FX-4170 @ 4.2Ghz with a somewhat faulty IMC to this 4.5Ghz i5 3570k and in the games I do play that will eat up CPU power, the difference is there...Just barely noticeable without sitting there comparing the fraps data in Excel.
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

C2Q to Nehalem was a significant upgrade. Happy customers.
Nehalem to Sandy was excellent all around, much low power consumption, higher IPC and more clock speed head room. Again, happy customers.

Are you entirely sure about that? C2Q was only noticeably slower in the same stuff that an FX is faster than an i5 in and multi-GPU, in fact benchmarks agree with me: Anand. Kinda ironic how that was ignored back then and the chip praised but now it's the same for AMD, most people act like an FX will bottleneck every game.
As for Sandy to Nehalem...Did you see the review with both at 4.2Ghz? There's an IPC increase but it's really not that big, Sandy was great for two reasons: Significantly higher OCability while also reducing power consumption.
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Originally Posted by pisstaker View Post

That is some igp improvement, depending on how much of it translates to lower tdp processors without the edram, AMDs going to have some real trouble with igp performance

Nope, they won't...iirc they still have GCN 2.0, GDDR5 and a whole host of other things up their sleeves...Plus, they have an experienced driver team. Intel has a lot of money to throw into R&D but AMD has much more experience, and can cut down higher end GPUs into the IGP envelope.

For reference it seems likely AMD could have what amounts to a HD7790 on chip for one of their next-gen IGPs going by TDP, too...Add in GDDR5 to that and it'd likely hit actual HD7790 speeds or above assuming clocks are equal.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

But desktop doesn't sell like mobile does, period.

Yes. Yes it does. Desktops take up 81% of the market because of business PCs.

No, what it really comes down to is that virtually no-one will ever need more than a 5% IPC increase year by year...Even us on OCN likely wouldn't see the difference even between an i7 920 OCed and an i5 4570k OCed.
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Originally Posted by zalbard View Post

What kind of solution is that? Some people do actually use S3 sleep. And it's a pretty critical feature for laptops, which are the primary target of Haswell...

Disable S3, go into Hibernation...Boots nearly as fast on an SSD without using any power. For reference, on my i3 370M laptop with a Force 3 SSD I can't actually tell the boot up time difference between Hibernation and Sleep.
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Originally Posted by zalbard View Post

Looks like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit: found some info - Haswell has USB 3.0 issues with 14 out of 22 tested USB drives

Looks like C2 is still on the way.

It really doesn't matter...Just make sure not to leave Word, etc open and to save before going into Sleep mode...Or buy a Corsair Flash Voyager, they're great USBs and appear to work according to that.
    
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post #126 of 858
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Originally Posted by Lshuman View Post

Answer this or me please. How is AMD so bad, it does everything that Intel does and it's cheaper. It might not be as fast but who could tell in real life performance? Also the benchmarks are so close except for a few where Intel really beat AMD, but it's still over 60fps. So Please give me a real reason to go Intel? You guys are getting ripped off by Intel and you all stand and fight for them like they are paying you to use their product. What's so funny about all of this is, you guys are wasting money for nothing that has improved. biggrin.gif
I didn't mean that AMD is horrible. If you game at 60Hz & vsync AMD can be good choice depending on a price point. It just isn't enough for my needs which is 120Hz gaming. I still get fps drops and low gpu usage in some multiplayer games with my Intel but with FX-8350 it would be even worse.

I very much hope that Steamroller is a success, I'm far from Intel fanboy wink.gif I still have very good memories of my old AMD Athlon 64, that was epic CPU 8 years ago.
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post #127 of 858
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

can you clarify? i7 3770k in these types reviews does 5ghz or they do 4.7ghz like they show in 4770k reviews?

3770k@stock vs 4770k@Stock/OC, mainly. They do it that way to show the third bar(4770k@4,5Ghz average OC) has some gains against their Ivy counterpart. If they did Ivy@OC vs Haswell@OC, there would be two bars pretty close, diminishing Haswell "punch".
    
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post #128 of 858
I just feel for bad for all the people who were going to build a rig and were told for months...

"wait for haswell"

Seemed to be a motto around here not that long ago and now look.. rolleyes.gif
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post #129 of 858
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False, stop posting garbage...

Your AMD chip needs to use 3x the amount of energy to perform the same task as an Intel chip...

Prove it for me please. Also How am I posting garbage? If you had your system next to my system could you really tell which one had what processor? So before you start with the bashing and name calling prove your point in a respectful way. I did not bash, nor did I call anyone names for their choice of processor. I just made a statement and that was it. I used to be a Intel fan boy, and I can say fan boy because that's exactly what I was. Now that I lost my business I went to AMD and I have been just as pleased with the performance.
     
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Idle power consumption is insane, I'm kinda thinking of replacing my two 2400s/mobos for haswell in my two servers.
As for a gaming rig personally I wouldn't bother to upgrade from sandy/ivy and I'm quite happy that I've got 3770k 1 month ago without waiting for haswell.
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