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I give up, you guy's just keep waisting money every year or two with a company that does not improve in performance at all. (Brain washed) is what they call it. S.O.S. (stuck on stupid).

I think this is a rather harsh comment, and shows lack of understanding the situation. I will extend that to the people in here who thought they were going to see a big performance jump on the desktop segment, especially the higher end segment.

Haswell was never meant to be a ground breaking, earth shattering, over the top leap in performance for desktops. Intel clearly stated from the beginning they were focusing on mobile and iGPU, which they clearly succeeded in making vast improvements for. Anyone with a 2500K or better setup right now has no reason to go to Haswell, maybe if it didn't require a new platform I would recommend it for us with 2500Ks, but it requires a new platform.

Haswell is a great jump for someone on an AM2/AM3 platform, that can't be updated via a Bios update to AM3+ support, or LGA 775. You could also throw in low end 1155, like H61 platforms.

There really shouldn't be any disappointment in Haswell, it is performing exactly as expected. Well, as expected by those of us who knew what Intel was going for.
    
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I'd feel really awful if there was a new revision of haswell, or broadwell turned out awesome. Or if Skylake was the new sandy bridge, grrr

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There really shouldn't be any disappointment in Haswell, it is performing exactly as expected

Something silly like 40c hotter than sandy bridge at 1.25v was expected? With people literally hitting thermal failure/throttling at 1.25-1.3v on h100i's we have nothing but hope that delidding can somewhat salvage these things. Aside from that, ride on avx2 and the ~13% gains for x264

If haswell fixed ivy IHS issues and gained 5-10% IPC, it would have been awesome, but damn, it's 10+c hotter, not 20+c cooler. Coming from Nehalem, it's hard to like; I could get my hands on a certain ivy bridge chip that has already proven itself, delid and go to 5.1 - i can't say with any kind of certainty that i could pick up a haswell chip and match its performance - that is a bit worrying to me.

Our "Overclockers dream" seems to be worst overclocking performer in quite a while - there was nothing to expect. Extremely mixed messages. The Intel dudes posting quotes like this, the godlike 3570k's (4.5ghz 1.05v) and the exact opposite; it was impossible to form a solid opinion.
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BTW, the OC3D.net review is missing from the OP post.

Looked through some of the reviews, and the 4770K results are disappointing. The usual that most sites get it to OC to seems to be around 4.5 Ghz. Add in less bandwidth on the chipset compared to LGA 2011, and it looks worse. SO, would I buy one of these instead of saving until Boxing Day and getting a 4960X and Rampage 4 Extreme?

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BEFORE THE DELID AND AFTER





omg, what a difference...
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Yes, with out a doubt. It is supposed to be a great overclocker.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLtjgbga5g

shows otherwise. 4.6ghz on 1.180v with h100i and 1100rpm fans hits 87c on max load after 30min
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I think this is a rather harsh comment, and shows lack of understanding the situation. I will extend that to the people in here who thought they were going to see a big performance jump on the desktop segment, especially the higher end segment.

Haswell was never meant to be a ground breaking, earth shattering, over the top leap in performance for desktops. Intel clearly stated from the beginning they were focusing on mobile and iGPU, which they clearly succeeded in making vast improvements for. Anyone with a 2500K or better setup right now has no reason to go to Haswell, maybe if it didn't require a new platform I would recommend it for us with 2500Ks, but it requires a new platform.

Haswell is a great jump for someone on an AM2/AM3 platform, that can't be updated via a Bios update to AM3+ support, or LGA 775. You could also throw in low end 1155, like H61 platforms.

There really shouldn't be any disappointment in Haswell, it is performing exactly as expected. Well, as expected by those of us who knew what Intel was going for.

It's a toc, it's supposed to have massive changes.

It is somewhat groundbreaking given it's iGPU in Iris (at least for Intel) and the power consumption changes to mobile, extending battery life.

However the problem for us enthusiasts is that:

1. We don't use iGPUs
2. We don't have computers with batteries

So Haswell's big changes really mean nothing to us.

Now it would probably do you good to imagine how much money Intel has spent on R&D to make this chip and then to look at what they've accomplished.

Intel spent 8.4 BILLION on R&D in 2012. How much of that was Haswell, I can't find right now, but regardless, the improvements that Haswell brings aren't even worth 1 billion if you ask me.
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BEFORE THE DELID AND AFTER





omg, what a difference...

What cooling? How/where did you get this?
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I'd feel really awful if there was a new revision of haswell, or broadwell turned out awesome. Or if Skylake was the new sandy bridge, grrr

it sucks not being able to throw away money, i need a job
Something silly like 40c hotter than sandy bridge at 1.25v was expected? With people literally hitting thermal failure/throttling at 1.25-1.3v on h100i's we have nothing but hope that delidding can somewhat salvage these things. Aside from that, ride on avx2 and the ~13% gains for x264

If haswell fixed ivy IHS issues and gained 5-10% IPC, it would have been awesome, but damn, it's 10+c hotter, not 20+c cooler. Coming from Nehalem, it's hard to like; I could get my hands on a certain ivy bridge chip that has already proven itself, delid and go to 5.1 - i can't say with any kind of certainty that i could pick up a haswell chip and match its performance - that is a bit worrying to me.

Our "Overclockers dream" seems to be worst overclocking performer in quite a while - there was nothing to expect. Extremely mixed messages. The Intel dudes posting quotes like this, the godlike 3570k's (4.5ghz 1.05v) and the exact opposite; it was impossible to form a solid opinion.

You are one of the individuals that obviously doesn't understand what Haswell was to be.

It was never labeled as an 'overclockers dream', it was never designed to 'fix IB's IHS issue', as IB doesn't have an issue as far as Intel is concerned.

For what reason do you believe AMD or Intel engineers their products around the OC community? Seriously.....

  • Haswell out of the box as DESIGNED is the nominal ~4% - 10% faster than IB.
  • Haswell has lower power consumption on mobile
  • Haswell has a huge iGPU performance boost - targeted at mobile


Haswell is literally performing how expected and how designed....end of story.
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It's a toc, it's supposed to have massive changes.

It is somewhat groundbreaking given it's iGPU in Iris (at least for Intel) and the power consumption changes to mobile, extending battery life.

However the problem for us enthusiasts is that:

1. We don't use iGPUs
2. We don't have computers with batteries

So Haswell's big changes really mean nothing to us.

Now it would probably do you good to imagine how much money Intel has spent on R&D to make this chip and then to look at what they've accomplished.

Intel spent 8.4 BILLION on R&D in 2012. How much of that was Haswell, I can't find right now, but regardless, the improvements that Haswell brings aren't even worth 1 billion if you ask me.

It is a Tock, and Intel made massive improvements where needed for their business. Which is in the ever EXPLODING mobile segment.

Again, referring to my comments above your quote; At what point did you hear Intel say they were going to base their designs around the OC community? They follow a Tick - Tock cycle, not a Tick - Overclockers cycle.
    
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It was never labeled as an 'overclockers dream'

Actually it was very specifically labeled as such by an Intel employee.
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I think this is a rather harsh comment, and shows lack of understanding the situation. I will extend that to the people in here who thought they were going to see a big performance jump on the desktop segment, especially the higher end segment.

Haswell was never meant to be a ground breaking, earth shattering, over the top leap in performance for desktops. Intel clearly stated from the beginning they were focusing on mobile and iGPU, which they clearly succeeded in making vast improvements for. Anyone with a 2500K or better setup right now has no reason to go to Haswell, maybe if it didn't require a new platform I would recommend it for us with 2500Ks, but it requires a new platform.

Haswell is a great jump for someone on an AM2/AM3 platform, that can't be updated via a Bios update to AM3+ support, or LGA 775. You could also throw in low end 1155, like H61 platforms.

There really shouldn't be any disappointment in Haswell, it is performing exactly as expected. Well, as expected by those of us who knew what Intel was going for.

I agree. People seem to forget that Haswell, Ivy and Sandy are/were mainstream parts. X79 and 2011 were the enthusiast / prosumer parts. To complain about "middling" advances on what is by definition, their mainstream parts is strange. Especially on an enthusiasts forum. Would I like to see more; sure, who wouldn't. But clearly they've shifted their focus, as so has the entire market.

Yes, Haswell is nothing to write home about. But it's a mainstream part. We knew this.
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