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For desktops, very unimpressed

Sounds like going from my 2600k@4.8ghz would actually be a downgrade

Need the 4820k/4930k - sooner the better

I will end up with a Ultrabook with one of these processors however
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Haswell is to Intel as Windows 8 is to Microsoft.

This half-baked attempt to unify mobile and desktop computing under one banner inevitably leads to power users and enthusiasts being left in the cold.

The greatest strength of computing, flexibility, comes through specialization and customization to fit each niche or specific application.

Tablets/Smartphone/Phablets will never completely replace traditional desktops, yet Microsoft and Intel doesn't get it. Just because typical consumers do not purchase desktops anymore doesn't mean they should give up the start menu, mouse & keyboard, higher clock speeds, substantial (not token) IPC gains, etc.

Forced convergence is not the answer and one size does not fit all.
    
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Originally Posted by Unkzilla View Post

For desktops, very unimpressed

Sounds like going from my 2600k@4.8ghz would actually be a downgrade

downgrade?
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Originally Posted by elreyhorus View Post

Haswell is to Intel as Windows 8 is to Microsoft.

This half-baked attempt to unify mobile and desktop computing under one banner inevitably leads to power users and enthusiasts being left in the cold.

The greatest strength of computing, flexibility, comes through specialization and customization to fit each niche or specific application.

Tablets/Smartphone/Phablets will never completely replace traditional desktops, yet Microsoft and Intel doesn't get it. Just because typical consumers do not purchase desktops anymore doesn't mean they should give up the start menu, mouse & keyboard, higher clock speeds, substantial (not token) IPC gains, etc.

Forced convergence is not the answer and one size does not fit all.

The two are related. MS doesn't have enough people with powerful hardware to add large amounts of features to Windows, because if they do it'll be "bloat." So, instead, they try and reach a new market.

Intel then turns around and says, "no one needs this much power anymore!" and then they don't release chips.

I think a lot of this "these CPUs are fast enough!" mentality is like saying 640k is enough. Yeah, it was at the time, but software will use additional hardware if enough people have it.

Ask yourself what you think Windows 8 would look like if Intel quads were priced like i3s, hexes were priced like i5s, and 8 cores were at 3930k price levels. My guess is that we'd be seeing some sort of fancy new 3d GUI with cool features (like a modern Linux distro), DirectX coming up with some sort of solution to use all those cores through an easy to use API, etc.

It's a real shame, it feels like they're both conspiring against enthusiasts. I feel like they look at how big Apple has become by selling consumerist crap instead of developing world class processors and the most popular operating system (hate it or not) of all time, so they're trying to emulate Apple.

It's a shame really, because MS and Intel are going to alienate the hardcore geeks and enthusiasts, and they've always been the ones there to recommend those products to other people.

But to say we have enough performance now is crazy. The software just simply isn't there yet. I could take a Pentium 4, run DOS, and then go "look, this P4 is so strong that we don't need anything better!", but I'm pretty sure I"m not alone in thinking that I enjoy a modern OS and the software that we run now as opposed to just having a fast, ancient OS running programs in 640k of ram.

And it's never going to be there, Intel wants to sell cheap, disposable crap that no one can upgrade to be like Apple, and Microsoft wants to have the big OS that's competing with iOS. AMD is just as guilty, but at least it seems like they're not giving up on enthusiasts.
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so i thought i'm switching to Haswell from 3770k Ivy to have a better motherboard, awesome features, and better on board sound chip...
and I have never been so wrong biggrin.gif

oh well, money goes to Xonar STX then. tongue.gif
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post #266 of 858
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downgrade?

Yes it is a downgrade of sorts as Haswell is not much of a good overclocker.
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post #267 of 858
So CPU's and Motherboards have just been launched here in the UK, same price as Ivy but all manufactures of the new Z87 chipset have gone for Black & Gold or Black & Orange / Yellow......WHY!? redface.gifdoh.gifpuke.gif

Bad move Asus!
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since it has been mentioned several times, here is the reddit Q&A with the intel engineer:
IAmA CPU Architect and Designer at Intel, AMA.

not to dispute anyone's recollection; i really do not recall reading that haswell will be "an overclocker's dream" but did see where overclocking broadwell will be "interesting" . .





that is all.
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post #269 of 858
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Yes it is a downgrade of sorts as Haswell is not much of a good overclocker.


So you don't read then?

4.6 Haswell=4.8 Ivy

why does it need higher clocks if its faster anyway(not that I am impressed with Haswell)
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downgrade?

Just going by the HardOCP review and the percentages they have given, sounds like I would likley end up with a 4.4/4.5ghz chip on air compared to my current 4.8

TBH wasn't really considering Haswell unless some type of 5+ghz overclocks were common on air

Looks like I will have to cough up the money for Ivy-E
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