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i was told the polling issue with the USB 3 ports and sleep is solved if you use a hub with the intel ports beucase the hub will poll the ports after it wakes and that is all you need supposedly. lol also Intel doesnt' seem like its going to address or solve the S3 and USb issue. I do know tho that after waking form sleep i was able to use my USB drive in it.
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I'm not sure that they can make another big push forward without a major revision to the Core microarchitecture, if not replacing it entirely. The jump from Nehalem to Sandy may well have been the last big leap forward they could accomplish, and all they can do now is tweak it to get another few percent here or there, or reduce the power draw.

All designs reach their limit. When Intel was making NetBurst processors, they went from Willamette all the way to Cedar Mill, but then Tejas, the next version, was apparently so power-hungry that it would have made Bulldozer look like a "green" product. That was the end of the line. I think they're now getting near the end of the line with the Core processors.

This, Haswell is an evolved P6 which came out in 1995. It's nearly 20 years old. I am quite sure Intel knows that if they do something new that they're going to take a few steps back before they go forward. It happened with Netburst and Bulldozer.

A lot of people really hated on AMD for Bulldozer, but it probably needed to happen soon or a later. If AMD stuck with K10, there wouldn't even be rumors of Steamroller being 15% faster per clock, let alone some of the stuff that's out there.

It probably sounds really good from Intel's perspective, instead of starting over with a new architecture and living through the growing pains, they can just stop evolving towards performance and enter a new market and focus on power consumption. It's going to basically leave the door wide open for AMD to be the sole enthusiast desktop CPU company and Intel won't be able to do anything about it.

I mean, AMD's R&D budget is a tiny fraction of Intel's, and in 2012 Intel spent 8.4 billion on R&D. And AMD is seeing bigger growth and closing in games.

But I do think that Intel will abandon P6 eventually and work on scaling Atom up. I recall reading that new Pentiums and Celerons would be based on new Atom, not Haswell.
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I eat haswells for dinner and bedtime snacks
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

This, Haswell is an evolved P6

This is a gross oversimplification. Yes, one can trace the evolution of Haswell back to the P6, and earlier, architectures, but Haswell really bears little resemblance when looked at as a whole.
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But I do think that Intel will abandon P6 eventually and work on scaling Atom up.

Current Atom architecture (itself based off the P5) is more of a dead end than the current Core architecture. Indeed, the new Silvermont Atoms are evolving more towards Core than vice versa.
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This is probably the worst release for intel in a while

After looking through all the reviews, the increases are minimal.

IVY-E just picked up a significant amount of customers.
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Originally Posted by Electroneng View Post

This is probably the worst release for intel in a while

After looking through all the reviews, the increases are minimal.

IVY-E just picked up a significant amount of customers.

I would not count on that, specially people with X58 like me that decided to wait out sandy-e, and are still waiting to this day to upgrade to something worthwhile.
I still believe that Intel should have a 6 core cpu in 300-400$ price range for the 2011 socket, while getting the quad core for it( 3820-4820) just seams like a huge waste of money, and current cheapest 6 core runs 500-600 bucks. If I was looking at buying a 2011 socket I would feel really bad not buying one from the get go when it was released, not mid way towards Haswell-E with ddr4, and maybe finally cheap base-6 core and a extreme 8 core CPUs. Rather waste my money on Haswell, let it last me at least 2-3 years and by then Intel might have something interesting.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Electroneng View Post

This is probably the worst release for intel in a while

After looking through all the reviews, the increases are minimal.

IVY-E just picked up a significant amount of customers.

it's more or less the same as ivy launch. ivy brought the 99.999% useless pci-e 3.0 standard and now haswell gives us up to 6 sata 3 ports native. at least the igpu got better by a bigger margin this time.
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I would not count on that, specially people with X58 like me that decided to wait out sandy-e, and are still waiting to this day to upgrade to something worthwhile.
I still believe that Intel should have a 6 core cpu in 300-400$ price range for the 2011 socket, while getting the quad core for it( 3820-4820) just seams like a huge waste of money, and current cheapest 6 core runs 500-600 bucks. If I was looking at buying a 2011 socket I would feel really bad not buying one from the get go when it was released, not mid way towards Haswell-E with ddr4, and maybe finally cheap base-6 core and a extreme 8 core CPUs. Rather waste my money on Haswell, let it last me at least 2-3 years and by then Intel might have something interesting.

Going from X58 this is an upgrade. The only thing decent about this release is the longevity of the MB socket.
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I would not count on that, specially people with X58 like me that decided to wait out sandy-e, and are still waiting to this day to upgrade to something worthwhile.
I still believe that Intel should have a 6 core cpu in 300-400$ price range for the 2011 socket, while getting the quad core for it( 3820-4820) just seams like a huge waste of money, and current cheapest 6 core runs 500-600 bucks. If I was looking at buying a 2011 socket I would feel really bad not buying one from the get go when it was released, not mid way towards Haswell-E with ddr4, and maybe finally cheap base-6 core and a extreme 8 core CPUs. Rather waste my money on Haswell, let it last me at least 2-3 years and by then Intel might have something interesting.

Yes.

X58 folks, like me still on 45nm, powerhungery, no USB 3.0, no Sata III, no PCIe 3.0. This is an all around platform refresh. That i7 920 was money well spent. It's still a beast, but we're a bit behind. Not for need, but for want.
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