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post #361 of 858
I dont think it was ever intended to be an upgrade from current gen users was it.....Anyway they got me to bite, 4770K along with some GSKILL 2400mhz 4X4 ram, now just waiting for the ROG boards to hit the shelves. After my parts come in then I can decide for myself how "horrible" everyone is making this chip out to be...
 
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Im so dissapointed! Really wanted to upgrade.. Hopefully Ivy-e isnt that far out, if its a decent overclocker ill be going with that instead.
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I'm not surprise by these reviews about Haswell. During the time of previews, Haswell was not actually giving us anything to do flips over & now seeing the results of OCing, you need to depend on the bigger & better heatsinks or more preferably, water-cooling to achieve nice OC's. Intel better get that chip off their shoulder. They are starting to give too much room for AMD to sneak up on them steal the show.

Z68 / Z77 will be fine for me for the next few years before I even consider to upgrade and by that time, I'll be very curious where AMD will be standing in the competition thinking.gif
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Originally Posted by RiverOfIce View Post

Honestly? More raw power and better battery life. I really don't understand where the problem is. Intel has always made it clear that Haswell was built for mobile platform. From the start. At no point did they ever say it was going to be any thing useful for desktop.

I swear, some times people like to complain. Kind of like wanting to buy a Ford Focus, then complain that you can not get 300 mph while getting 40 mpg and towing 30,000 lbs.

"But you can't overclock" argument is getting old. Let me help you out with something. Overclocking on a tablet or laptop is about as pointless as placing nitro on a scooter. Yes this is an overclocking site. Yes, it is a major part of your computer use. But if that was true, then haswell should have never been on your radar to begin with.
They honestly sound like the best ideas ever I would love to oc a tablet/laptop and the nitro on a scooter doesn't need explaining

Also meh, hopefully 3770k's will go down in price
    
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i think that a good rule of thumb here is just to hold for DDR4 support for an upgrade., evrything from Nelhelam and up.

and IMO anyone who wants a system (from intel) now can just get a Z77 Motherboard and find a great deal on a Sandy / Ivy CPU and have a blast.

or they could wait till Steamroller to see competition and maybe get it or find an even better deal on Intel.



but personally, really hope that there be a version without integrated VRM out for the clockers. even if it is just a PR stunt.
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So HWC got 5.4Ghz on 1.45v... What cooling did they use?
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Dang I read each line to make sure to upgrade or not. was a long read but it did worth the time and money that I'm not going to spent on haswell ( at least now ) and to invest money on the 4770k for gaming or to turn of the HT is wast of time and money. If you are going gaming you just need to follow the same path as the IB getting a 3570k and OC DA hell up smile.gif a 4 Core CPU 4670K . Aftrer all the hassle to sell old parts and invest on new parts and put more money on top to get this high temp's and very low increase won't worth at all.

just read bellow i was going to quote a lot thing but this last lines can tell you everything. thumb.gif
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4Turning off HyperThreading on our i7-4770K helped us out with core temperatures in a big way. This is probably the single biggest thing you can do to cool off your Haswell 4770K. Turning off HyperThreading will knock a quick 5C to 8C off your individual core temperatures in our experience under high overclocks. Doing this hurts the performance of your processor, possibly a lot, possibly a little, depending on your application. To throw some quick numbers at you, when turning off HyperThreadingon our 4770K running at 4.8GHz we saw: Cinebench scores decrease by over 20%, POV-Ray render times increase by 10%, Handbrake encode times increase over 7%, Lost Planet low resolution framerates decrease by 20%, and Metro Last Light low resolutions framerates decrease by 25%. Turning HyperThreading off in our high resolution / graphically intensive game benchmarks, we saw Lost Planet impacted less than 1%,and Metro: Last Light impacted less than 2.5%. So if you are using your 4770K with HyperThreading for workstation applications, a Torrent encode farm, or to play games on a 1024x768 CRT, then you will likely want to leave HyperThreading turned on. If you are using it for "modern" gaming, turning off HyperThreading to give you a better CPU overclock will likely benefit you more than losing CPU cycles with HT turned on.
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Lastly, and a bit more on the [H]ard side of things, you can always get the razor blades out and pop the top on the thing. Folks that have successfully de-lidded their Ivy Bridge processors have seen temp drops across all cores of 5C or better, many times much much better. SonDa5 in our forums documented a 12C decrease, and took awesome pictures to show you the process. Obviously this comes with the risk of totally fubarring your CPU.

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Very disappointing considering it is supposed to be the "tock' according to intel.

Silicon is all over the place with these things and the temps aren't great either.
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Very disappointing considering it is supposed to be the "tock' according to intel.

Silicon is all over the place with these things and the temps aren't great either.

i think Intel is slowly getting to a TOCK - TICK - TICK (loop) roadmap, and soon enough most manufacturers of CPU and GPU might be only TICK every generation because we are getting tot he limits. (though i believe that Intel, like any other, can do something completely new even within the Core micro architecture)
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On a H100 with 1.45v. Then you have TPU which only managed 4.2GHz. Something's pretty fishy here.

Different review sites having different samples, not to mention different reviewers with different skills, different temperature comfort zones, and different standards of stability doesn't imply anything fishy.
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Very disappointing considering it is supposed to be the "tock' according to intel.

Tocks are architectural shifts; nothing more is automatically implied.
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