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Originally Posted by ehpexs View Post

I really think this is an amazing release from Intel. I mean it's not really aimed at Desktops, but for those who use laptops, this is a hell of a lot better. The iGPU is a lot better and power consumption is better. For us gamers maybe it's not much of an upgrade, but idle is still better. TTL was saying his i3 server had a higher power consumption at idle than the 4770k.
No doubt the IGP is better this time around but the drivers still are crap so let them work on that first also they released the highest end IGP with bga first...
hd4600 isn't all that great tbh, not all that bad either considering it almost matches a gt540 however when drivers come into play the later is vastly superior.
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Originally Posted by ehpexs View Post

For those that upgrade every gen, this makes no sense (but neither does upgrading every gen) but for those with Nahelem Rig, it looks pretty damn good. Haswell also has better Usb 3 support and better memory support.
Nehalem and no it does not wink.gif
post #422 of 858
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Originally Posted by A Bad Day View Post


And for those that still think IGPs are crap, please refer to the PS4's APU, which has a slightly better GPU performance than the Radeon 7850. And such dedicated GPU is already a high-end gaming card for your average joe.
I don't think IGPs are crap I just think Intel's drivers and product are not up there with AMD's solution and drivers.
post #423 of 858
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Originally Posted by malmental View Post

why.?

Because there's a market that's significantly larger than the OCing community according to Steam's Hardware survey. Not everyone can plunk down over $1000 for a computer.
post #424 of 858
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Originally Posted by A Bad Day View Post

Oh. Okay.

This $1300 laptop has a dedicated GPU, does it count now?: http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-A53SD-TS71-750GB-NVIDIA-Laptop/dp/B0072VQHM0

-i7-2670QM 2.2GHz
-NVIDIA GeForce GT 610M 2GB Graphics


And for those that still think IGPs are crap, please refer to the PS4's APU, which has a slightly better GPU performance than the Radeon 7850. And such dedicated GPU is already a high-end gaming card for your average joe.


EDIT: Here's an A10 5800K's Tomb Raider performance. Take note how the detail setting was set to high:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yo0qkfu7eo

PS4's APU is tailor made with an emphasis on GPU power...

They could make a similar product for the PC, but who would buy it? Regular users don't need that kind of power, and people who play games that require 3D rendering generally buy a separate GPU.
post #425 of 858
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Originally Posted by demoship View Post

Idle power consumption being low = great for laptops.

For anything plugged into the wall, who cares?

Saving like 7 - 8 watts of power? That's meaningless.

An 8 watt power saving * 24 hours a day * 365 days a year = 70 kWh savings / year

at 13 cents / kWh (that's ~ nationwide average), you save 9 bucks a year

For an office/school setting where you have dozens or hundreds of desktops, it does.

But for a home setting? Not really. And anyone that bankrupted themselves with an SLI of GTX Titans and can't pay their power bill should be laughed at for their financial planning skills.
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PS4's APU is tailor made with an emphasis on GPU power...

They could make a similar product for the PC, but who would buy it? Regular users don't need that kind of power, and people who play games that require 3D rendering generally buy a separate GPU.

So you're saying that the A10 is useless when it can maintain 30 FPS at high details on Tomb Raider? I'd say that's a game-worthy product.

I recall someone bashed the i3s for their crappy performance. I asked that guy if he could by an i7 2700K for less than $150. He called me a homeless beggar.
post #426 of 858
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Originally Posted by A Bad Day View Post

Find me an Intel chip that can match the APUs in gaming performance at the same price range.
Get a cheapo Ivy pentium + a 7750 for around 140$ , thats better than A10-6800K for about the same price and you wont have to buy high clocked memory (plus you have will have an 1155 motherboard , so you can upgrade to a core i5 at some point)
Edited by DarkBlade6 - 6/2/13 at 12:50pm
post #427 of 858
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Originally Posted by DarkBlade6 View Post

Get a cheapo Ivy pentium + a 7750 for around 140$ , thats better than any APU at gaming for the same price (plus you have will have an 1155 motherboard , so you can upgrade to a core i5 at some point)

And all this one the same TDP? Yeah right
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post #428 of 858
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For an office/school setting where you have dozens or hundreds of desktops, it does.

But for a home setting? Not really. And anyone that bankrupted themselves with an SLI of GTX Titans and can't pay their power bill should be laughed at for their financial planning skills.
So you're saying that the A10 is useless when it can maintain 30 FPS at high details on Tomb Raider? I'd say that's a game-worthy product.

I recall someone bashed the i3s for their crappy performance. I asked that guy if he could by an i7 2700K for less than $150. He called me a homeless beggar.

An office/school that's cheap enough to care about such miniscule power savings would turn off their computers at the end of the day (and a lot of schools do, not so much offices), and that difference would be like 50X the difference of the CPU alone going into a low power mode.

Not to mention the savings I mentioned are the maximum possible savings. Those savings don't come into play if there's a load on the CPU, or if the machine's off. And for a datacenter with servers, it's even less relevant because the majority of servers have some kind of load on them 24/7. The haswell sleep modes are tailor made for laptops and other battery powered devices.
post #429 of 858
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Originally Posted by Baghi View Post

It's not made for existing IVB/SNB owners anyway but yet people will upgrade no matter what, like they upgraded their i7-2600K to i7-2700K. It's us who keep Intel engineering such CPUs with minor performance increase over last generation.

Yeah but the hype gets worse every time they release anything nowadays although the differences seem smaller. It's like marketing has gone ape****.
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post #430 of 858
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And all this one the same TDP? Yeah right
TDP = Thermal design power, in other word its the heat dissipation, you probably meant power comsumption?! TDP =/= power comsumption. If you really mean TDP as omg this thing gonna get hot in my living room .. well you are wrong, its not like a 7750 and Pentium Ivy need fat ass heatsink and lot of airflow to stay cool.
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