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Originally Posted by coolhandluke41 View Post

have you ever heard about dual socket ? wink.gif

Oh, you mean, "MOAR COARS"?

And yes, Haswell is a marketing disaster. We've got people saying 4770k isn't an enthusiast chip for an enthusiast platform and we have $400+ LGA1550 motherboards. We've got people saying "MOAR COARS R USLEESS!" and then people wishing they had more cores. If anything Intel's reluctance to call a $300+ chip paired with a $400 motherboard higher than "mainstream" in marekting slides is Intel's excuse to cut out TSX, VT-d, vPro, etc in exchange for overclocking (because hey, you're on the MAINSTREAM socket and overclocking is so NOT MAINSTREAM and HIPSTER so you better pay for it!).

I am honestly just very disappointed with what Intel is doing with what I consider the enthusiast desktop. It feels like the enthusiast desktop PC is dead and we might not ever see a big, must have, awesome chip again. If we even see Broadwell on desktop it's going to be another small gain in performance. That's the next two years for us.

The worst part is that a lot of people on two generation old CPUs or even well clocked Nehalems don't have a reason to upgrade, when 5 years ago a CPU that old would be completely useless. Because of this Intel is going to sell less desktop Haswells, declare the "mainstream" as they like to call it, market dead on desktop, and then use it as an excuse to just flat out stop making them and force everyone on what they call "enthusiast", erga LGA 2011 or whatever comes after it.

You can call me crazy but Intel has been killing off enthusiast desktops from the bottom up. First they did it by blocking people from buying cheap processors and overclocking them by only selling K series parts, and I would not be surprised if they moved further to kill any sort of enthusiast platform that doesn't fit their marketing slide definition of "enthusiast."

Once Intel gets good volume in any sort of non-desktop product, they're basically just going to flat out ignore us, probably just selling us expensive enthusiast chips that didn't make the cut for Xeons.
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post #472 of 858
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Originally Posted by coolhandluke41 View Post

have you ever heard about dual socket ? wink.gif

Too expensive
post #473 of 858
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

Oh, you mean, "MOAR COARS"?



I am honestly just very disappointed with what Intel is doing with what I consider the enthusiast desktop. It feels like the enthusiast desktop PC is dead and we might not ever see a big, must have, awesome chip again. If we even see Broadwell on desktop it's going to be another small gain in performance. That's the next two years for us.

The worst part is that a lot of people on two generation old CPUs or even well clocked Nehalems don't have a reason to upgrade, when 5 years ago a CPU that old would be completely useless.

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Yep I haven't seen a reason to. I want to so I can finally use USB 3 headers for my case and SATA 3 and PCI-E 3 but the performance gain is too minimal.
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Originally Posted by azanimefan View Post

considering that moble cpu/mb is $500 alone i don't think AMD is sweating; that's a part with no market outside of a Mac Book Pro.

those overpriced peices of EQ come at a premium no one but an isheep would pay, AMD will compete just fine at the lower end of the market. Which is what Haswell is all about. an across the board price increase, to give AMD some room in the cheap cpu market to keep them around to avoid anti-trust investigations, a new part for the mac books, and competing with ARM.

there is no other point to Haswell that i can see.
you don't have a feak chip. All the reviewers are using robust water rigs for the most part. Furthermore, Tom's hardware had 12 i7's to test and only found 1 that would get to 4.7ghz. Most were stuck around 4.4-4.5

It's looking like Haswell overclocking will take expensive cooling systems, expensive motherboards, delidding and a great deal of luck to get to 5.0ghz

Looks like the giant is becoming way too careless in its present position of dominance. Intel is in a slow but sure path of decline and stagnation.
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Trouble is the enthusiast desktop PC is not the norm for most people and the worlds economy is another factor. Salaries for most have stagnated or have gone backwards. Tablets and other such toys have killed it for us redface.gif
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Why make it then? Haswell was given some glory hype by Intel feeders that it would be this and that well before it came out. I myself think they struggled to add power to a shrinking die size. How much longer can you add a cpu with a gpu and expect to get smaller and smaller without heat issues. I'm no scientist but there must be a law of no returns using the same materiel

it's not really aimed at Desktops, - i was just being sour custard thumb.gif

Considering that most consumers won't notice the difference between a Pentium 4 and a Core i7 Octocore, I think it's fair game for Intel to not bother really speeding stuff up...With how much people go on about AMDs power consumption you'd think people would be happy with this, eh?
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I was looking to upgrade to a 4670k or 4770k this week but now im wondering if i should go with 3770k setup instead ? Any ideas ? smile.gif

I will be changing from spec below smile.gif

imo may as well go for a 4770k if you're gonna be in for a new mobo anyway, unless the extra $30 is an issue.
    
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Hey now, they have a good chance of noticing the sluggishness of a P4 system. That or the heat&noise if you gave them a 3+GHz P4 to try to meet minimum expectations.

But really the office and light home use was covered by Core 2 and Phenom 2. iGPU is almost "good enough" as well, I'd say when the whole product stack has GT 640 or 640m (for notebook) performance.
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We ended up with a multiplier of 47 and 1.375 Volts with a high-end dual-fan, dual-radiator Noctua D14 cooler. Even then temps are massive and completely fail to cope with the heat. As a result the temperature is so high that the processor will down-clock to achieve a safer temperature. The safety features do kick in and it remains a nice overclock of course



104c on Noctua wheee.gif

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_sabertooth_z87_review,9.html
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Fk Noctua, 104C with 1.03V... ?
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