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Wth?



From what I'm hearing, haswell can overclock better if you have a nice cooling system, I can't wait to put my h220 on it.
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It looks like it has the same issue as Ivy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZVYg1pIbRCs#t=1045s
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I'm getting the idea that a delided IB = FTW still..
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Originally Posted by Davayy View Post

Hardly surprised. Tell you what i am surprised about, anyone recall thatIntel Engineer do an AMA on Reddit a little while ago? Said "Haswell would be an overclocker's dream". Irony.
Yea I want to comment about this dude, i talked about how the guy deleted my comment when I asked about the FIVR, FIVR is killing overclocking on this platform. I will put up OC guide and everything soon(my NDA is up I am just tired), the FIVR does add heat and temperature, how much? About every 0.2v of delta between vout and vin it adds about 1W of power draw, but that isn't that big. Then get this Intel goes further and tried to limit the FIVR and its performance!!!! Maybe they are high, but since when did overclockers ask for built in vdroop that got better with lower temperature? NEVER. Yea that is exactly what I mean, on early ES samples, everything before the latest C0 stepping, you could set above 1.5v but you wouldn't get what you set even with LLC on and all that stuff. You might get up to 1.6v if you set 1.8 or 1.9v at -100C and if you dropped down to the cold bug area(also caused by the FIVR, yea FIVR causes the CB most likely) then the voltage would increase to 1.632v. Well I guess they never realized they had a CB(there might be a way around it tho) and that they needed to fix this. But get this! THey have a state of the line silicon voltage regulator, however with their brilliant engineers you would have expected them to make profiles for voltages and such programmable, right? Nah. They had to do a hard revision change to make it so that the CPU's vcore is what the user sets it always, lol. So a fix in the FIVR can add 500mhz+ to a CPUs OC under LN2. I guess that is what you get when you hire a bunch of CompEs to do a EEs job, but that is for a later discussion. Anyways this is just a tiny issue of the FIVR and one reason Intel is thinking not to do it again. Anyways all of this above is a none issue for normal end users like most of you guys.

Anyways haswell OC:
You can pull 4.5-5ghz on air, You should be able to do 4.5ghz at 1.2v or a little higher or lower, about the same as Ivy, temperatures will hinder you before voltage, however over 1.5v on air is potentially deadly to the CPU this time, they aren't so resilient as Ivy or sandy.
You can pull over 5G for a validation
LN2 depends on the CPU I would say same as Ivy.
I would expect the same overclocks as Ivy, in the beginning many people were extremely happy about haswell's OC potential, but as the chip matured it seemed like it was going to be hindered.

Memory OC is where it gets interesting, most every CPU should do about 4ghz for memory OC that is 1.25x110x29.33 or around there. It is very hard to do this you need single sided Hynix and binned really high.

Otherwise Haswell's IMC is about the same caliber as Ivy's but with some minor tweaks here and there, also the topology and I am guessing unlocking the domains helped a lot. They did some minor tweaks, but the topology tweaks are extremely interesting like they rotated the DIMMs 180 degrees and are mixing up the T and daisy chain toplogies.
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Wth?


damn dude, i can't do that high on air! lol I can do 5.2ghz vaklidation on air, but I also have an older ES stepping which has vcore issues over a certain point(this was fixed in the final ES and retail version). Seems about the right voltage tho!
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So we more or less know Broadwell (tick) will also be another 5% performance increase.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested

Anand's Iris Pro 5200 GPU review. Seems to suit my mobile needs just fine. smile.gif
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shame it wasn't 1155 socket the m/b for haswell are the best thing about this release.

For us enthusiasts, definitely.

However, for me, my 920 is getting replaced. Looks to be a 30 to 40% bump and a nice overall platform refresh.

I'll probably build another when Ivy-E comes as well and the family can have the Haswell I'm about to buy as a nice family computer.
Edited by LancerVI - 6/1/13 at 10:15am
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Whats sad is not the minimalistic performance enhancements. Its the fact that we are set for the future with these weak CPU. We already know IVY-E, Haswell-E performance and its not good and one is at least 1-2 years away.

It's all about power consumption and the mobile industry sad-smiley-002.gif
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Alright Ivy-E, time to show up.
 
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For us enthusiasts, definitely.

However, for me 920 is getting replaced. Looks to be a 30 to 40% bump and a nice overall platform refresh.

I'll probably build another when Ivy-E comes as well and the family can have the Haswell I'm about to buy as a nice family computer.

Whats what you thin but i would not expect more then 20% bump in performance. They recently did a test Core i7 920 @ 4.2GHz vs Core i7 3770K @ 4.2GHz and in games they where identical in performance.
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