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Intel is more or less forced to use solder on -e chips because of the excess heat 2 more cores add. Not only this but the cost warrants only the best option available.

Though to be honest, I wouldn't have a problem due liding if I had to, but it has been shown that solder = de lid performance (yes, some crazy people have heated the spreader enough to melt the solder and delid them. DO NOT DO THIS!)

Sweet, -E means no TIM glop under the lid, woohooo and thnx for the info, and hope it stays that way smile.gif
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And this is what Haswell actually is when you remove Intel's method of purposely limiting overclocks by using that black glue + TIM instead of solder.



"24Hz" posted this on Anandtech forums.
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Tin foil hat much?

Yeah, someone at intel said "let's sabotage the thermal performance on all our CPUs to mess with the 0.1% of people who overclock their CPUs"
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Tin foil hat much?

Yeah, someone at intel said "let's sabotage the thermal performance on all our CPUs to mess with the 0.1% of people who overclock their CPUs"

How about 2-3 years down the road when the average users computer keeps shutting down due to thermal throttling? Look at the old Athlon 939 socket CPU's and even some of the old 478 socket P4's. Most, if not all used TIM between the heat spreader.

Once the TIM dries up you have to remove the IHS or purchase another CPU. The average users will be purchasing a new CPU and that is exactly what Intel wants.
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How about 2-3 years down the road when the average users computer keeps shutting down due to thermal throttling? Look at the old Athlon 939 socket CPU's and even some of the old 478 socket P4's. Most, if not all used TIM between the heat spreader.

Once the TIM dries up you have to remove the IHS or purchase another CPU. The average users will be purchasing a new CPU and that is exactly what Intel wants.

You mean the Athlon64 that ran cooler with the stock cooler from an FX than my FX did with a bloody TRUE? Or the two billion Celerons and P4s I have (Pulled from dead machines) from that era?
Nope, the reason those CPUs overheat with age is a little thing called dust, most computer deaths that I've seen tend to be the HDD or PSU. (Or both!)
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Once the TIM dries up you have to remove the IHS or purchase another CPU. The average users will be purchasing a new CPU and that is exactly what Intel wants.

That is actually a very good point. I've had two redo the TIM on two old laptops that were slowing to a crawl because of heat buildup. Most of the average users have never even seen the inside of their PC's, and wouldn't even know what to do other than remove some dust to improve matters. Also, big corporate IT departments aren't gonna bother cleaning out and re-TIM 1000+ PC's every year or so (mine doesn't).
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That is actually a very good point. I've had two redo the TIM on two old laptops that were slowing to a crawl because of heat buildup. Most of the average users have never even seen the inside of their PC's, and wouldn't even know what to do other than remove some dust to improve matters. Also, big corporate IT departments aren't gonna bother cleaning out and re-TIM 1000+ PC's every year or so (mine doesn't).
That is not what he said he said that the TIM between the die and the IHS is gonna dry up which would mean you have to delid them doh.gif
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That is not what he said he said that the TIM between the die and the IHS is gonna dry up which would mean you have to delid them doh.gif

I know that, I'm just saying that drying up TIM is a big reason old pc's are dumped (IHS or cooler).
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Once the TIM dries up you have to remove the IHS or purchase another CPU. The average users will be purchasing a new CPU and that is exactly what Intel wants.

That is actually a very good point. I've had two redo the TIM on two old laptops that were slowing to a crawl because of heat buildup. Most of the average users have never even seen the inside of their PC's, and wouldn't even know what to do other than remove some dust to improve matters. Also, big corporate IT departments aren't gonna bother cleaning out and re-TIM 1000+ PC's every year or so (mine doesn't).

Excellent point about laptops, and a very good example of what I was referring to. I've worked with numerous laptops that people claimed to be very slow or randomly shutting down, at it's almost always due to overheating due to the factory TIM.
post #610 of 858
Not sure if anyone posted it yet, but anandtech seemed to have gotten hold of some of the haswell dual core mobile sku details:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7021/introducing-the-dualcore-haswell-skus
It seems a little strange that the base clocks for the models seems to be slightly lower than ivy bridge across the board.
 
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