Originally Posted by Alatar
Intel isn't stupid. They're doing exactly what they should be doing, working on the mobile side of things where ARM is a big threat. Power consumption and igp increases are now important to intel.
They have nothing to worry about when it comes desktop CPUs either though. IB/Haswell die sizes are ridiculously small compared to Piledriver. If it looks like AMD is going to catch up Intel can just release a 6-core chip.
They're also more than ready for high end parts... If intel wanted to they could roll out a 12-core IB-E i7 in September with other IB-EP chips. Unfortunately they just don't have the need.
Yeah AMD would get stomped in a microsecond as soon as Intel actually tries again. We should have had 6 and 8 core intels with 12 and 16 threads by now. Intel is worried about ARM and that's why they will be here in the long run.
Originally Posted by xoleras
Can't +rep you enough for this comment. Some of the comments in this thread are just unbelievable, it's like they're completely unaware of what market place conditions are like for intel now - desktop sales dropping by double digits every quarter (Q1 2013 the worst quarter in 20 years) while Mobile sales are going up by 500%. ARM is a huge threat and if intel doesn't make themselves relevant in the ultra mobile space, they won't be a business 10-20 years from now; Intel HAS to do this. They MUST focus on efficiency even if it is at the sacrifice of desktop IPC.
Personally, I think desktop haswell is nice. Now with that said, the desktop user in me is NOT pleased by the overclocking, but I completely understand what intel is doing here and will not whine about it - Haswell isn't going to be a good upgrade for those wanting a yearly iteration, but for someone building a new system or a pre-SB system upgrade, Haswell is the clear choice. A 4.3-4.4GHz Haswell should match a 4.7Ghz ivy bridge anyway. I don't see what the big deal and all the fuss is about, we KNEW that intel was focusing on efficiency. Their business prospects 20 years from now depends on that.
While desktop haswell is nice (and like I said not a great upgrade for those wanting a yearly upgrade iteration), mobile Haswell is going to be remarkable. I personally cannot wait for the ULV Haswell tablets and convertibles to hit the marketplace, I definitely would love to get one. 13 hours of battery life? Yes please.
Yup... And this is why Intel will be around in 20 years and AMD (as we know it) won't.
Originally Posted by Brutuz
You mean the Athlon64 that ran cooler with the stock cooler from an FX than my FX did with a bloody TRUE? Or the two billion Celerons and P4s I have (Pulled from dead machines) from that era?
Nope, the reason those CPUs overheat with age is a little thing called dust, most computer deaths that I've seen tend to be the HDD or PSU. (Or both!)
I agree with this. Dust is the #1 culprit of all computer failures I have to deal with.
Originally Posted by *ka24e*
Excellent point about laptops, and a very good example of what I was referring to. I've worked with numerous laptops that people claimed to be very slow or randomly shutting down, at it's almost always due to overheating due to the factory TIM.
Really? I always find its almost always because of dust clogging the intake fan mainly because people never clean them.
Originally Posted by j3st3r
Lol right cuz... AMD never talks a big game and fails to deliver, right?
Hey, you made me spit my coke out LOL