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I can't help feel a little let down (again). It's a decent enough chip, but when you compare it Bloomfield or Sandy Bridge you can't help but miss the 1ghz+ overclocks of their flagship cpu's. It feels like Intel is basically ignoring the enthusiast's now. What's the point of a (K) cpu when it uses crappy TIM and has little overclocking headroom. I'd also like to see a mainstream hex/octo core part.
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TTL did 45G at 1.2v. Reached 89c with H100 doh.gif
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Seems there is a combination of heat density and contact pressure that's keeping these from being cooler when overclocked.

I don't think it has to do with contact pressure.

Heat density, it can definitely be. What I am certain of is that on-die VRMs definitely hurt overclockability and temperatures. We're used to have a relatively bulky heatsink cooling down those parts on a considerably large surface, and now, we have those phases smacked together in a few mm^2 of silicon, under an IHS, and besides the CPU die.
   
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I can't help feel a little let down (again). It's a decent enough chip, but when you compare it Bloomfield or Sandy Bridge you can't help but miss the 1ghz+ overclocks of their flagship cpu's. It feels like Intel is basically ignoring the enthusiast's now. What's the point of a (K) cpu when it uses crappy TIM and has little overclocking headroom. I'd also like to see a mainstream hex/octo core part.

As mentioned earlier it isn't a secret that intel is designing the architecture for one thing - mobility and efficiency. The mobile ULV parts will have battery life 5-6 hours better than their IB counterparts, while the desktop parts are really nothing exciting. As a desktop user i'm not too pleased, but I understand what intel is doing. Desktop sales are rapidly diminishing while mobile sales are increasing by triple digit percentages every quarter. So that's why they're doing what they're doing - again, it sucks - but what can you do.
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Honestly? More raw power and better battery life. I really don't understand where the problem is. Intel has always made it clear that Haswell was built for mobile platform. From the start. At no point did they ever say it was going to be any thing useful for desktop.

I swear, some times people like to complain. Kind of like wanting to buy a Ford Focus, then complain that you can not get 300 mph while getting 40 mpg and towing 30,000 lbs.

"But you can't overclock" argument is getting old. Let me help you out with something. Overclocking on a tablet or laptop is about as pointless as placing nitro on a scooter. Yes this is an overclocking site. Yes, it is a major part of your computer use. But if that was true, then haswell should have never been on your radar to begin with.


C2Q to Nehalem was a significant upgrade. Happy customers.
Nehalem to Sandy was excellent all around, much low power consumption, higher IPC and more clock speed head room. Again, happy customers.

Then sandy to ivy was mediocre. The IPC gain was partially offset by the lower overclocks because of the stupid tim + glue used.
Now we have Ivy to Haswell and it's the same mediocre snail's pace of improvements.

Basically, from January 2011 (release of sandy) to this day Intel has parked the bus. People are angry/disappointed and they should be. Haswell is on our radar because what the hell else are we going to buy? Piledriver? Please.
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That is some igp improvement, depending on how much of it translates to lower tdp processors without the edram, AMDs going to have some real trouble with igp performance
 
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Honestly? More raw power and better battery life. I really don't understand where the problem is. Intel has always made it clear that Haswell was built for mobile platform. From the start. At no point did they ever say it was going to be any thing useful for desktop.

I swear, some times people like to complain. Kind of like wanting to buy a Ford Focus, then complain that you can not get 300 mph while getting 40 mpg and towing 30,000 lbs.

"But you can't overclock" argument is getting old. Let me help you out with something. Overclocking on a tablet or laptop is about as pointless as placing nitro on a scooter. Yes this is an overclocking site. Yes, it is a major part of your computer use. But if that was true, then haswell should have never been on your radar to begin with.
You do understand that Intel has K-chips (4770K etc.) whose sole purpose is overclocking, right? Tell me why there are 400$ motherboards for the laptop CPU?

Also, complaining about people who want to overclock on overclock forum doh.gif
Edited by Seid Dark - 6/1/13 at 9:34am
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That is some igp improvement, depending on how much of it translates to lower tdp processors without the edram, AMDs going to have some real trouble with igp performance

This thing cost 657 dollars...
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You do understand that Intel has K-chips (4770K etc.) whose sole purpose is overclocking, right? Tell me why there are 400$ motherboards for the laptop CPU?

We have $400 motherboards because there are many naive people who will buy them, same as any other overpriced component. smile.gif
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How about making a k series chip without IGP and make a g series with one, let us have what we want. Someone at intel should be fired, I'm pretty sure sales of Haswell are gonna reflect that.

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Edited by koniu777 - 6/1/13 at 9:37am
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