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So, which Haswell chips have the TIM problem?

All of them?

Does it only affect overclocking, or does it effect overall stability?
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all of the new haswell chips have tim problem its stable if you dont oc

its same as ivy
    
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Originally Posted by FrankCastle View Post

So, which Haswell chips have the TIM problem?

All of them?

Does it only affect overclocking, or does it effect overall stability?

The TIM doesn't conduct heat as efficient as solder does, which means OCing is going to be more challenging.
post #744 of 858
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Originally Posted by A Bad Day View Post

The TIM doesn't conduct heat as efficient as solder does, which means OCing is going to be more challenging.

After tests I think it has been shown that the gap + glue is what is causing the huge increase in temps and not so much the TIM. Either way it's BS that Intel isn't using solder at least on all K chips.
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After tests I think it has been shown that the gap + glue is what is causing the huge increase in temps and not so much the TIM. Either way it's BS that Intel isn't using solder at least on all K chips.
intel have clearly shown from ivy to haswell they don't care. they've passed on that cost to the consumer to take care of. and if you do, it voids your warranty lol.

they get the props for having the fast chip at your risk. for free.
    
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intel have clearly shown from ivy to haswell they don't care. they've passed on that cost to the consumer to take care of. and if you do, it voids your warranty lol.

they get the props for having the fast chip at your risk. for free.
Every review site hates on this so not really that good publicity.
Sadly cpu's don't really die that much so there is no aftermath even if they run high they won't cause high rma numbers only significantly high temps and reduced stability.
Edited by maarten12100 - 6/6/13 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by LinkPro View Post

The Haswell chips are just like 10% more expensive than their Ivy counterparts and already dropping.

For mobos, only the uber tier gets more expensive, while the 150-200 midrange tier Z87 boards are in line with the Z77 ones and most look much nicer.

Those with Ivy systems should definitely save their money since the performance gain is minimal. But if you're from Sandy or AMD then Haswell is well worth a try and there is no real gain going into a soon to be dead platform like Ivy at this point.

I was going ivy bridge but when i looked around i managed to find haswell for less:thumb:

Ordered a Asrock z87itx-e,4770k this morning and saved £50 on what i was going to spend on a ivy rig with comparable features.I just hope i dont end up regretting my choice.
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all of the new haswell chips have tim problem its stable if you dont oc

its same as ivy
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The TIM doesn't conduct heat as efficient as solder does, which means OCing is going to be more challenging.
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

After tests I think it has been shown that the gap + glue is what is causing the huge increase in temps and not so much the TIM. Either way it's BS that Intel isn't using solder at least on all K chips.
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Originally Posted by Remix65 View Post

intel have clearly shown from ivy to haswell they don't care. they've passed on that cost to the consumer to take care of. and if you do, it voids your warranty lol.

they get the props for having the fast chip at your risk. for free.
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Every review site ****s on this so not really that good publicity.
Sadly cpu's don't really die that much so there is no aftermath even if they run high they won't cause high rma numbers only significantly high temps and reduced stability.

So this isn't a defect that is going to be remedied? It's just how they decided to design the chip & won't change?
post #749 of 858
So what about the new 6 sata 6 gbps support with Z87 though? In my book that is a nice upgrade. is it safe to say that upgrading to haswell for performance gains is futile but upgrading to haswell to take advantage of the new mobo lineup may be worth it for some. Personally I am an msi mpower owner and you can bet I am a little jealous of the new mpower max. jealouse enough to shell out another 500? probably not but it depends on how much i could sell my current motherboard and cpu for.

I cant really speak for asus or gigabyte models but the new msi mobo lineup is very enticing.
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post #750 of 858
Review sites easily can manipulate the stats.

Run 20 benchmarks, and publish the 5 that best demonstrate the point you're trying to prove.

So if it's haswell vs ivy, you publish the 5 that show the most improvement.

If you're reviewing AMD products vs Intel products (and AMD's backing you or whatever), you run 20 benchmarks, and show the 5 where the AMD chip fares the best comparatively.

If you're publishing temperatures, and intel sent you 5 samples, you test them all and publish the results for the best chip.

And if a review site says too much negative stuff about the products, they'll stop getting freebies because why the hell would a company send someone free stuff to give them negative publicity?
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