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waiting to see what the Haswell i3's can do as a mini build like HTPC or something.
as for Haswell's 4670K and 4770K I just can't see it for me as I'm good with Ivy and Sandy.
I think this arc has come to an end in terms of getting more performance.

just don't pull an AMD AM3 to AM3+ Bulldozer when changing arcs and we're good.
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yeah if it has a decent igpu pair it with a mitx board. could have a powerful yet tiny htpc. then again depends wgat your htpc is doing. if its just 1080p playback sandy igpu is enough smile.gif
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I've got a Athlon64 that has TIM under the IHS according to what I've read about it and its temperatures are still good. It still ran cooler than my FX (And definitely my i5) even though the FX was under a TRUE and the Athlon64 was under a FX stock cooler.

Athlon 64s do use paste/putty for TIM. I've delidded a few of them, sometimes after inadvertently damaging the TIM with solvents while cleaning. Temperatures were ok, but I, and many other people easily saved 5C+ by delidding and mounting the heatsink directly to the die.

Also, Intel and AMD temperatures are not comparable.
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I've seen OEM thermal pastes that were failing within less than five years, either being dried out, pumped out (thermal expansion/contraction + low viscosity), or a combination of both.

So have I, but not under the IHS of a CPU.

Cut open an Athlon 64 after 8 years of heavy use and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between the TIM you see from one you opened up on release day.

The viscosity in most TIMs they use under IHSes is extremely high. If they aren't solder they are generally a gap filler putty/gel that has to be cured.

Ivy/Haswell do seem to be more paste-like, however.
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It idles at less power because it clocks down to 800 Mhz vs ivy bridge's 1600 Mhz. rolleyes.gif

But if you care about that much of a difference you may as well have an Atom for your main web-browsing, etc and leave the i5, i7, etc only to be turned on if its power is needed or something.
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Athlon 64s do use paste/putty for TIM. I've delidded a few of them, sometimes after inadvertently damaging the TIM with solvents while cleaning. Temperatures were ok, but I, and many other people easily saved 5C+ by delidding and mounting the heatsink directly to the die.

Also, Intel and AMD temperatures are not comparable.

I was referring to the TIM-IHS combo apparently failing, specifically that a nearly 10 year old CPU can work perfectly and even OC a little without error once you make sure its cooling is dusted.
    
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Also, Intel and AMD temperatures are not comparable.
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AMD chips typically have a lower TJ Max, they are not able to run at higher temps for a long temp. Intel optimized this intrinsic property better in their processes. They are able to operate at higher temperatures for a longer time.

You'd typically see AMD chips being tuned so that they run very cool out of the box when compared to Intel SKUs.

E:

Also the temperature probes are not at the same location.
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For those into using the dolphin emulator, looks like the 4770k offers a substantial performance boost over sandy/ivy setups. Stock 4770k seems to be even faster than my 4.6ghz 3570k. This is only coming from one report/user in the dolphin forums but its pretty interesting since I wasn't expecting it to be that big of an improvement
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AMD chips typically have a lower TJ Max, they are not able to run at higher temps for a long temp. Intel optimized this intrinsic property better in their processes. They are able to operate at higher temperatures for a longer time.

You'd typically see AMD chips being tuned so that they run very cool out of the box when compared to Intel SKUs.

E:

Also the temperature probes are not at the same location.

More the last statement.

Actual TJmax ratings and real temperatures the parts are rated for are very close. However, AMD setups report estimated tCASE, not TJ. Junction temperature can easily be 20-30C higher than case temperature within the same part at load.

People assume Intel runs warmer because a higher number is shown. This is frequently not the case. It's simply a temperature meant to represent a different location.
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For those into using the dolphin emulator, looks like the 4770k offers a substantial performance boost over sandy/ivy setups. Stock 4770k seems to be even faster than my 4.6ghz 3570k. This is only coming from one report/user in the dolphin forums but its pretty interesting since I wasn't expecting it to be that big of an improvement

This is very interesting indeed.

Have any links to these benchmarks/reports?
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This is very interesting indeed.

Have any links to these benchmarks/reports?
Here's the benchmark data the dolphin forum guys are keeping:

https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=DA2FE7FDA6EB085E!107&app=Excel&authkey=!ALQ0-tZv6Pc_h84

And here's the user with the 4770k (moosehunter)
http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-cpu-benchmark?pid=278576#pid278576

Compare his stock 4770k scores to the spreadsheet above, pretty much on par with heavily oc'ed sandy and ivy cpus. He also did a small OC to 4.2 (http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-cpu-benchmark?pid=278715#pid278715) and his results pass even 5.0ghz and above cpus, pretty amazing if you ask me.

I just noticed he did the PCSX2 cpu bench as well:

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-CPU-Benchmark-designed-for-PCSX2-based-on-FFX-2?pid=303348#pid303348

His stock score again seems to match up fairly well with oc'ed setups
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