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Oh yes I know it is an AC unit. Once I saw the words compressor, I knew.

Expensive, but it's fun to think of a way to make it quiet.

You put the compressor outside, that's how.

Which means you need a longer tube from the compressor to the heat sink, and a more powerful compressor to make the refrigerant colder / cycle it faster to overcome more loss due to the longer tube.

And you would probably need to build it yourself, or get a very expensive special order, because nobody else wants it.
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You put the compressor outside, that's how.

Which means you need a longer tube from the compressor to the heat sink, and a more powerful compressor to make the refrigerant colder / cycle it faster to overcome more loss due to the longer tube.

And you would probably need to build it yourself, or get a very expensive special order, because nobody else wants it.

Maybe something I can do when I have more money wink.gif Any idea how much my electric bill would go up? I'm guessing it's along the lines of running a window AC unit 12 hours a day...maybe $40 more a month?
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Maybe something I can do when I have more money wink.gif Any idea how much my electric bill would go up? I'm guessing it's along the lines of running a window AC unit 12 hours a day...maybe $40 more a month?

Power bill.. not much. Heat pumps are fairly efficient. The fact that you're going for subzero temperatures will reduce efficiency, but it'd be far less then a window AC unit (which is like a kilowatt). It's probably a few hundred watts at most.

But it'd probably cost you $10K to get a system custom built to your specifications.
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Power bill.. not much. Heat pumps are fairly efficient. The fact that you're going for subzero temperatures will reduce efficiency, but it'd be far less then a window AC unit (which is like a kilowatt). It's probably a few hundred watts at most.

But it'd probably cost you $10K to get a system custom built to your specifications.

10K can be used towards audio gear... Yeah, I'd much rather do that.
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Depends what you are using it for, but it's a pretty big upgrade from a i7-9xx.

Depends on the clocks and programs, Conroe was the last major IPC increase...SB is only so much faster than Bloomsfield because it can outclock it by 500Mhz+ easily.
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You'll spend way more then any extra performance you're going to get out of it.

That depends, honestly...If you got a phase change unit back with a Core 2 Duo and are still able to use it today then you'd probably have gotten your monies worth from the extra performance on 2-3 CPUs at least. I'm not meaning a custom unit that can be ran outside, I'm just meaning a normal unit that goes near your case.
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Really? Because based on this slide Intel did more than just a simple rearrangement of pins...

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It is, although it was necessary due to the VRMs being on the CPU now. They've done minor changes every time.
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I don't get what all the griping about socket changes is about. Even if the socket doesn't change, new chipsets come out. And such a small minority of people actually upgrade CPUs without changing the mobo.

And what about the people who upgrade the motherboard without changing the CPU? I'd get a Z87 board over Z77 any day, as Z87 is better by a large margin. I know a bunch of people who have Phenom IIs and the latest AM3+ boards for the extra features on them and SR compatibility.
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Yeah, getting a $1K phase change system like the one that was linked isn't going to pay itself off, ever. Not to even mention using that probably doubles your computer's power usage.

It's kind of like going fishing. People spend the money on rods, renting a boat, and paying for bait because they enjoy doing it. If someone did it to save money then they're just flat out stupid.

Even water cooling's pretty much a hobbyist thing. Everyone who has a WC setup probably enjoyed taking the time to set it up, and probably like to tweak their computers. If it's purely financial then that's stupid, because nobody spends a week of their time to an extra 10 - 20% out of their CPU unless it's a hobby.
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Depends on the clocks and programs, Conroe was the last major IPC increase...SB is only so much faster than Bloomsfield because it can outclock it by 500Mhz+ easily.
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True enough, but the end result is the same whether the gain is from IPC or clockspeed.
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They've done minor changes every time.
And what about the people who upgrade the motherboard without changing the CPU? I'd get a Z87 board over Z77 any day, as Z87 is better by a large margin.
with z77 boards I learned that just 'cause a board has more features it doesn't necessarily mean it's the better board. Eg I went with my board for it's features and saw it perform kind of poorly in reviews. The extra features make it use unnecessary power and it wasn't really good at anything but have more "features". In the real world it's a different story... some of the features don't even work right and are very buggy. The other boards were king of this Or that ccategory. Remember they're all powered by the same cpu--the 3770k. And since the haswell is just about the same as ivy I wouldn't have my hopes high on motherboard features.

I could be wrong...



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