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I had two UD3's fry on me, just RMA it... and when you get the replacement back don't use it just sell the POS.

I am currently using the 990fx extreme 4... and really I couldn't be happier with it..
while the cooling solution may look wimpy the VRM/NB cooler is joined by a heatpipe
and asrock gives you an active fan you can attach directly too it... (the "4" on the rad, screws off and fan screws on)
My temps are very nice and stable at 5.0gz+2400NB (FX 6300)
Bios is great, only real complaint is where they placed the HD audio header on the board..


I would suggest getting this or the Msi

(still have a working msi 870A fuzion that I had running at 1.5 vcore since new, great board. and also have two MSI cards
no complaints with them anywhere, I would have got the msi board this time round also but didn't have the extra)
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Just a short story, Last month I sold 49 MBs to a recycling company ( along with large bunch of other components). Kept statistics for that. 38 were MSI MBs, 3 Asus and rest miscellaneous makes. None of them were Gigabyte despite them being pretty popular over here. 10 of my last MBs were either Asus or Gigabyte an despite rough treatment OC wise none of them died or were trouble at all. So, if Msi greatly improved quality last couple of years I'm staying clear of them.
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You're too worried about heatsinks.

I'm not really sure what you do to your boards to warp them I've never heard of this problem before with gigabyte boards.

I would suggest you go to this thread and scan the last 60-80 pages. The warping is real. I have $50 USD in aftermarket heat sinks on mine trying to keep it alive. The UD3 just can not handle the 8XXX series CPUs.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1023100/official-gigabyte-ga-990fxa-series-owners-thread-club/4540

MishelLngelo: Until recently MSI has had a bad record. It seems it takes a long time to change reputations.
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MishelLngelo: Until recently MSI has had a bad record. It seems it takes a long time to change reputations.

Well, in order to change your reputation, first you need to acknowledge your mistakes and change attitude.

MSI doesn't seem quick in doing that...

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Personally, with the VRM record MSI has, i wouldn't touch MSI motherboard with a 10 foot pole. And by coincidence, the only motherboard i had that died on me after 2 years, was a socket 462 MSI mobo. Now i use Asrocks and they 're solid boards if you don't overclock.
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Well, in order to change your reputation, first you need to acknowledge your mistakes and change attitude.

MSI doesn't seem quick in doing that...

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Personally, with the VRM record MSI has, i wouldn't touch MSI motherboard with a 10 foot pole. And by coincidence, the only motherboard i had that died on me after 2 years, was a socket 462 MSI mobo. Now i use Asrocks and they 're solid boards if you don't overclock.
I've used MSI boards in nearly 100 builds in the past 10 years, there has been only 2 that have had issues. One took some stray voltage through the NIC , which killed the lan ( it still is functional otherwise even gave me this score on the bot http://hwbot.org/submission/2243485_cssorkinmanocn_memory_clock_ddr_sdram_305_mhz) , the other had an issue with the something in the area of the socket broke after supporting a huge air cooler for a couple years. This particular board was out of warranty by about 6 months, MSI took the RMA request in spite of it and had a new board out to me in 10 days - the only charge was shipping to the RMA center.
I've clocked the beans out of AMD chips from the 2500+ barton to the FX-8350 using MSI boards and never had a failure due to pushing them too hard.
I have 5 MSI NF980 G-65 boards that have been in service in a non climate controlled industrial environment for over 3 years now. Temps reach 120F+, dust is nasty ( including chemical dusts) and there are significant magnetic fields generated by huge electric motors on nearby equipment. No problems whatsoever, the customer's prebuilts in the same environment have failed in as little as 2 years.
My experience with MSI has been nothing short of stellar.
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My experience with MSI has been nothing short of stellar.

I believe you, but in this list, MSI does seem to have a certain prevalence over other brands.

http://www.overclock.net/a/database-of-motherboard-vrm-failure-incidents

Another peculiar point of MSI, is that they sell lower end motherboards, with this warning:

"Due to power design specifications, we strongly advise against using heavy burn in tools on this mainboard to protect your system from heat damage"
http://uk.msi.com/product/mb/760GM-E51--FX-.html#/?div=CPUSupport

This is laughable for any serious company. A motherboard should be able to run all the CPUs that claims to be able to handle, at 100% load for prolonged period of time.
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I believe you, but in this list, MSI does seem to have a certain prevalence over other brands.

http://www.overclock.net/a/database-of-motherboard-vrm-failure-incidents

Another peculiar point of MSI, is that they sell lower end motherboards, with this warning:

"Due to power design specifications, we strongly advise against using heavy burn in tools on this mainboard to protect your system from heat damage"
http://uk.msi.com/product/mb/760GM-E51--FX-.html#/?div=CPUSupport

This is laughable for any serious company. A motherboard should be able to run all the CPUs that claims to be able to handle, at 100% load for prolonged period of time.

Yes , if you drop a nascar engine in a Volkswagen beetle you are bound to break something. People that buy a $60 motherboard and plop a $180 chip on it need to change their way of thinking. Then to top it off, they cheap out on the psu too.... a real recipe for disaster.
I buy higher end boards and solid psu's. I think that's why I've had better luck than some.
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Yes , if you drop a nascar engine in a Volkswagen beetle you are bound to break something. People that buy a $60 motherboard and plop a $180 chip on it need to change their way of thinking. Then to top it off, they cheap out on the psu too.... a real recipe for disaster.
I buy higher end boards and solid psu's. I think that's why I've had better luck than some.

I would agree 100% with you, if it wasn't Wolkwagen saying that it can take a nascar engine. Nobody is FORCING MSI to certify her boards for 125W FX CPUs for example. But, it is the ONLY compainy, that sells boards "supporting" a CPU, with the fine print that "you shouldn't run burn in tools on it, because it will be your fault". What is the point of saying "yes, this board supports 125W CPU FX-8320", but adding "oh, but don't load it high". On my book, it makes a company seem ridiculous, if not deceiving. Maybe that's why they are the sole company that does that.
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Here's another example of "MSI doing business". Motherboard claims to support fx-8350.

This one has no warning, no note, no nothing that the board can't handle high loads.

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/970A-G46.html#/?div=Overview

User buys motherboard, discovers that motherboard throttles at STOCK settings. Contacts MSI support. The MSI support, replies, that, while, yes, they sell the motherboard claiming support for the CPU, in reality their techs discovered that FX-8350 isn't 125W as AMD claims, but 140W. So the board can't handle it even at stock speed and throttles to prevent fire.

post #24

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2285799

Let's say that MSI is right and AMD is lying about TDP of Piledrivers and it's not MSI's fault. Why do they keep claiming that the board supports a CPU, that their own tech department discovers that it can't handle?

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/970A-G46.html#/?div=CPUSupport

Is it a user's fault if he buys this mobo or MSI's?

These aren't practices of a serious company.
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Interesting reading. I looked at that thread about VRM failures and there are only 2 990FXA boards there. An MSI GB65 and a Gigabyte UD3. I already know the UD3 can't handle the 8XXX CPU even though they say it can. I should post that thread in the UD3,5,7 thread and see what happens.

Talking about 970 based boards does not help. They are already listed as not good for OC. And if Asrock is not good for OC too, does that mean that the UD5 is my only choice?
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