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Interesting reading. I looked at that thread about VRM failures and there are only 2 990FXA boards there. An MSI GB65 and a Gigabyte UD3. I already know the UD3 can't handle the 8XXX CPU even though they say it can. I should post that thread in the UD3,5,7 thread and see what happens.

Talking about 970 based boards does not help. They are already listed as not good for OC. And if Asrock is not good for OC too, does that mean that the UD5 is my only choice?

I have the Asrock 970 extreme3, but i undervolt, so i don't have 1st hand experience with OC. From what i 've read in various forum posts, it throttles between 4.2 and 4.5Ghz with an 8-core FX, probably depending on case airflow and ambient temperature. But at least, it doesn't throttle on stock... And while it does have some quirks in BIOS settings, once you find them, it's rock stable. I 've bought 4 of them, because i was very satisfied with the first i got.

ASrocks with higher phase count, should be able to overclock better, but i don't know how well. Avoid 4+1 phase anyway.

Then there is ASUS...

I am surprised Gigabyte shows trouble, i always regarded ASUS and Gigabyte as the top contenders, although i buy Asrock.
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Take a look also at the higher end Asrocks:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20990FX%20Professional/

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme9/

I think there is also a Sapphire 990 board, but i don't remember a model. Also, i 've read good things about the Biostar OC, but can't recall if it was 970 or 990.

One thing you missed in your MSI board's negative sides, is, as reported by Newegg users, that it lacks LLC (Load line calibration). AFAIK, this is pretty important to overclockers, as it limits the vdroop. So, it's another con.
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I have a 990fxa-ud5 rev.3.0 and I'm pretty happy with it. Small bios bugs like not showing accurate ht and cpu/nb freq. when overclocking fsb. Other than that I have no complaints at all with it. The ASrock extreme9 is another motherboard you could consider. It hasn't been out all that long but I have yet to hear any complaints about it. I've been following the Giga 990fxa club thread as well and the ongoing saga of the problems with the ud3 and Gigabytes responses to the problem. Makes me really glad I decided not to get one of those boards.
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Take a look also at the higher end Asrocks:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20990FX%20Professional/

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme9/

I think there is also a Sapphire 990 board, but i don't remember a model. Also, i 've read good things about the Biostar OC, but can't recall if it was 970 or 990.

One thing you missed in your MSI board's negative sides, is, as reported by Newegg users, that it lacks LLC (Load line calibration). AFAIK, this is pretty important to overclockers, as it limits the vdroop. So, it's another con.



Not a con at all in my opinion. I get way better overclocks with lower temps on the MSI board without LLC than my Asrock or ASUS boards that have it.
Another telling fact is that if you disable LLC on those boards, they have more vdroop than the GD80 does, the CHV-Z having more than .1 volts.
It's a lot like the auto overclocking features some boards have, easier to use , but the results of doing it manually are much better. Somthing about LLC that annoys me is that you really are letting the board decide how much to overvolt the chip. I am much more comfortable keeping in control of that myself.

The Sapphire board you are talking about is the pure black - its a nice looking board. At one point I thought I wanted one, but in talking to owners they are disappointed in its overclocking abilities.

There are no issues with the VRM's on the GD-80V2 , buy with confidence.
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Well, you know overclocking better than me, i 've only done mild overclocking, so i won't insist on the benefit of LLC. As a matter of fact, on my board, LLC got me crazy at first. At auto it overvolts like crazy. At "on", is has vdroop. I haven't tried to see what happens on "disabled", because it says it's for AM3+ CPUs, while i have a Thuban. But it's sure the craziest setting of my board. Took me a while to figure out that "auto" was completely different than "enabled". tongue.gif
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Well, Asrock being almost subsidiary of Asus it is not surprising that it's pretty solid, had few of them myself awhile ago. They are "consumer grade" MBs and don't even claim to be the best, but mostly solid boards. Still, if you ask me, I wouldn't try to OC 8350 to any degree on anything less then Ga-990FXA-UD7. Put one together for a friend few month ago with an 8150 at first and them 8350 and both of them run at 4.5 GHz under a CM 612s cooler, without even warming up. It's pretty simple, top processor needs a top MB, cooling and everything nice, otherwise it's just throwing good money after bad. Lowest common denominator is what whole system is. Throw some kung fu PSU in the best machine and see how far it will get you. Same goes for CPU - MB - memory - GPU combinations.
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The UD7 has been discontinued and I have not seen a picture of it, so can not say if it will work for me or not. If I can talk Gigabyte into RMAing me a UD5 I could go with that.

The Asrock Fatal1ty looks like it would work. Now to find someone who sells it so it can be compared to the others.

I have read up on LLCs and there is no problem there. In fact some think that Gigabyte factory overvolts their boards to make them look better. My FX8350 will run at 4.5 ghz by merely bumping up the multiplier without touching the volts.

My only real concern with MSI is that there does not seem to be any fail safe if it overheats like the UD3 did when the bios forgot to rev up the fans when it was under load. When it overheated it throttled and I noticed that right away. The damage was done and the board was warped from the heat but the CPU is still good.
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