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Usario, you never cease to amaze me, great find and excellent research, i always enjoy your post thumb.gif

Thank you, though I'm not really anyone special -- I'm one of many collecting and analyzing data, I'm not the one finding the data in the first place. There are much more knowledgeable minds on OCN and elsewhere.
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i really hope this is what happens

hope is one thing, but honestly it needs to happen

not enough healthy competition at the heart of our rigs, ill be thrilled to build a top noch rig from both sides of the table again. intel is focussing a bit much on taking a market share that it dosnt really need too much, yes its good that they are stepping up the IGPU but id love to see higher ICP than 10-<10% from gen to gen






NOW, is steamroller a follow up on the "MOAR" advancements?.... 10 core? or are they still octa? and is it supposed to support quad channel memory?
    
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AND the fact that there hasnt been any new prominent board designs on team red since the depression of 8150!
    
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I've read about this before, but I can't find the source! Do you know where I can read more about this? I mean with the demonstation of disabling one integer core in each module of FX-chipsets. smile.gif

http://atenra.blog.com/2012/02/01/amd%E2%80%99s-bulldozer-cmt-scaling/

Average 17% improvement with 4M/4C vs 2M/4C.
read the first line and lol'd
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At what time in the video does he say that? This roadmap from CES disagrees:


If they deliver, the 4M chips will certainly position themselves comfortably between the i7 quads and hex-cores in multithreaded while nearing SB in single-thread on average (at stock clocks that is, not at the same clocks). The 4M chips could even trade a couple blows with the hex-cores the way the 8350 does with the 3770k, whether or not that's feasible depends on whether AMD was talking 30% ops per cycle on each thread or 30% ops per cycle in total (since at this point it's unclear if those gains are influenced by the increased multithreaded scaling made possible by the doubled-up front end -- BD and PD only scale around 650% when going from single-threaded to eight-threaded, whereas with the new front end they should be able to scale 750-800%).


Start at 1:45 and he'll mention that it's coming for next year. Sounds to me like he messed up there.
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AMD Vishera Multi-Core Scaling Performance @ Phoronix
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_fx8350_multicore&num=2



AMD during Hot Chips Symposium on its Surround Computing and High Density (Thin) Libraries [Sep 6, 2012] SA
semiaccurate.com/2012/09/06/a-brief-look-at-amds-steamroller-core/
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You've seen the slides everywhere and read through what Josh could observe and predict from those slides but at the end of Hot Chips will still know little more about the core everyone is waiting for. The slides show a core little changed from Bulldozer, which is exactly what we've been expecting as AMD has always described Steamroller as a refined Bulldozer design, improving the existing architecture as opposed to a complete redesign. SemiAccurate did pull out one little gem which might mean good news for both AMD and consumers which pertains to the high density libraries slide. The 30% decrease in size and power consumption seems to have been implemented by simply using the high density libraries that AMD uses for GPUs. As this library already exists, AMD didn't need to spend money to develop it, they essentially managed this 30% improvement with a button press, as SemiAccurate put it. This could well mean that Steamroller will either come out at a comparatively low price or will give AMD higher profit margins.



The Future of AMD: Jim Keller and Chekib Akrout Interviewed [April 29th, 2013]
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/hardware/amd_worldcast/
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The ethos of AMD's x86 designs is modular, first placed by design library and then hand-tuned. This makes for a fundamentally portable design between manufacturing foundries, but still allows fine tuning to get the most of the process the chosen product is made on. Manual tuning allows for better clock frequencies, leaving AMD rather uniquely in the middle between the process library designers and 'manual placement of everything guys'.

"AMD are on track to catch up on high performance cores"
- Jim Keller, Corporate Vice President and Chief Architect of AMD's Microprocessor Cores
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It's confirmed that SR will not be needing a new board.

AMD stated at the end of last year, or start of this year, they would be keeping the AM3+ socket for about 3 years, allowing their current customers to upgrade. I just upgraded my younger brother to an AM3+ and a 6300 I bought off Newegg for $112. Odds are likely that when SR hits, I will drop in an 8 core for him, as he does a ton of decoding and rendering.
    
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At what time in the video does he say that? This roadmap from CES disagrees:


If they deliver, the 4M chips will certainly position themselves comfortably between the i7 quads and hex-cores in multithreaded while nearing SB in single-thread on average (at stock clocks that is, not at the same clocks). The 4M chips could even trade a couple blows with the hex-cores the way the 8350 does with the 3770k, whether or not that's feasible depends on whether AMD was talking 30% ops per cycle on each thread or 30% ops per cycle in total (since at this point it's unclear if those gains are influenced by the increased multithreaded scaling made possible by the doubled-up front end -- BD and PD only scale around 650% when going from single-threaded to eight-threaded, whereas with the new front end they should be able to scale 750-800%).

Yeah ,that's why I said "across the board". A steamroller octocore like the one hinted here would perform between haswell i7 and ivy-e on MT workloads more often than not, while still losing somewhat (but not nearly as much as PD does) on ST. Price that thing a bit below haswell i7 and I am sold (unless a 5 module chip comes,even above the i7 price,I'd get that instead). A SR hexacore priced even 20% higher than the current FX-6xx0 could add huge pressure on i5 series while making haswell i3 pretty much irrelevant performance-wise on the desktop.
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Although the performance and the specs of SR are somewhat overly optimistic when compared to past broken promised AMD made, i genuinely hope it will kick Intel in the rear. We need some heated competition.
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Usario, you never cease to amaze me, great find and excellent research, i always enjoy your post thumb.gif

I would like to know how they turn off second core in the module. AFAIK it is only possible to power off entire module.
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