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I just had a long wordy post that didn't get to the point very quickly. I know that cat 6 and higher Is capable of 10gbps. However, it takes equipment to run those speeds. I was wondering how one utilizes thos speeds without spending a small fortune. I haven't found a single switch that supports 10gbps without sfp/sfp+. Upon further research sfp only runs fiber optics. How do you use 10GE without involving fiber optics?
Edited by Curious Andre - 6/1/13 at 8:44pm
post #2 of 51
You might have read a lot about 10 GbE because it's increasingly common. 40 GbE and 100 GbE are the new hot, cutting-edge things these days. But unless you're running a large and/or high-performance corporate network, you're wasting your time even looking at 10 GbE. Just for your reference though, 100% 10 GbE switches with RJ-45 ports do exist: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/powerconnect-8100/pd (just an example) but SFP is still more common.
Anyway, for a home network, 1 GbE is more than enough. You're building something for your parents who don't sound technically inclined. When would they ever need the bandwidth offered by 1 GbE, let alone 10 GbE?
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They wouldn't. Cat 6 cable was surprisingly cheap, but since it was capable of 10GE I wanted to know how to utilize it and apparently it isn't cheap, thus not necessary to look into any further. Thank you for the link. Sometimes navigating newegg can be a bit of a workout to find those things.
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Gotcha smile.gif
So yeah, 10 GbE is possible and the equipment exists to support standard copper cables, but 10 GbE is a considerable investment and not cost-effective in a lot of cases. You'll have a hard time finding full 10 GbE switches for less than $500 a port these days.
post #5 of 51
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I don't always word things the way I think about them, but when I come across individuals asking if upgrading their cable is going to improve anything I sometimes question my own understanding. I wanted to build a universal htpc, but I no longer care because my parents are not willing to do the things I am willing to do and I don't want to spend a couple of thousand dollars wiring the house.
post #6 of 51
Don't forget 10 gigabit nics... they cost a lot too. Home HTPC only needs a gigabit...
post #7 of 51
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Is it my understanding that streaming media across a network requires about 8-10MB/s? So a gigabit is about 125MB/s, right? Appreciate the feedback.
post #8 of 51
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Is it my understanding that streaming media across a network requires about 8-10MB/s? So a gigabit is about 125MB/s, right? Appreciate the feedback.

Depends entirely upon what and how you are streaming. I've seen 50-60 MBps when streaming full blu-ray content over my network. Having two or three streams can potentially saturate a GigE line (if you don't max your drives out first). That isn't the norm though and using any sort of transcoding will lower that quite a bit.
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I so totally don't have a clue on what I'm getting myself into. I wanted to build a central DVR for the house where the htpc was connected to one tv and have extenders going to two other tvs. I was hinting of ripping all of my movies Ono the htpc and have the ability to stream them to other locations. Is the message I'm getting is the bandwidth be dependent on the programs being used. I was going to use WMC with two cable card tuners and use My Movies to rip he movies into WMC. I have heard good and bad things about WMC. Any suggestions before I decide on how to implement all of this or if it would be better to have one dedicated htpc and have another sharing the load.

Forgot to mention that there will be a few 3d movies involved, as well.
post #10 of 51
What you want to do is quite easy really. I do almost exactly what you are trying. I have a GigE based network and it works just fine for streaming to multiple places. I have a central PC with two cable cards as well as a HD Homerun. I can record 5 or 6 cable streams at once to the main PC. That machine is running W8 with WMC . The W8 machine holds the recordings for a bit and then shifts them off to my homeserver. Once there, any machine on my network can watch recorded stuff and they can access the networked homerun for live TV if they want. I don't have any extenders and have never used one either so I can't quote on that. I just have a bunch of mini PCs around for my TVs.

I actually like WMC for the most part. There are some customizations that can be done for W7 clients that make it better. The areas where it lacks are incorporating other services. Myself I have Amazon prime, netlifx, hulu plus, play on, playlater and Vudo and Epix accounts. The play on and netflix have WMC apps but the rest do not which is a bit of a pain.

There aren't a lot of options for DVR software really. MythTV and XBMC having working solutions but they still have issues. All the programs will take up the same amount of bandwidth so as long as you have the equipment it will be fine. I can and have fully saturated a GigE connection when streaming to multiple devices (two full blu-ray streams with additional network traffic). With that in mind I keep my high res content on my faster drives and regular TV recordings on slower drives. I now have server NICs in my machines that are teamed for a 2 Gb uplink which I can not saturate with just media streaming under normal conditions.

It all depends on how much you want to spend and how much media you need to push out. If you have a lot of media I would focus on storage more than anything. You will end up with a lot of content. I have about 4 TB of recorded TV, 3 TB of Movies, and 600 gigs of music and because of that I have a dedicated recording machine, dedicated HTPCs, and lots of storage space.

I think I answered your questions and then some but I'll be happy to answer more or clarify. My media setup is crazy considering I live by myself in a two bedroom apartment with 4 TVs. rolleyes.gif
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