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post #11 of 21
It's not a failure. It's something that's at the same level as before but with lesser power consumption and much better IGP, all that with a slightly increased price.

It's only a "fail" if you already have Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge in fact.
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post #12 of 21
I thought 1150 has the same mounting holes as 1155? am i wrong?
Meh ... If you have a nehalem this is a decent upgrade, at the same clocks you would see the same temps with the same heatsink anyway tongue.gif
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post #13 of 21
It's compatible with 1155/1156 mounts yes.

Well, you're right with Nehalem, or even Yorkfield / AM3, being something you'd wanna upgrade from.

And come on, 15w less idle consumption? Most of that has to be due to the 32nm chipset in stead of 65nm. Even my 5.3ghz 2500K idles at a mere 15w on 1600Mhz 0.948v...
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post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

It's not a failure. It's something that's at the same level as before but with lesser power consumption and much better IGP, all that with a slightly increased price.

It's only a "fail" if you already have Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge in fact.

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post #15 of 21
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He's kind of right.. Haswell is supposed to be a tick, but it hardly even has the improvements you'd expect from a tock.

Adding to that is indeed the wide availability of SB/IB CPU's and boards for a lower price and his point seems valid enough.

Also, while Ivy may run hot, Haswell's a total oven in terms of temps, mostly due to still using TIM and the partial VRM circuitry in the CPU.
So, while you'd love to see 6Ghz on air, the reality is, overclocks won't be even close to SB/IB on air in terms of Mhz.
^^^^ This is one of the main reasons why I went with Ivy 2 weeks before the launch of
Haswell. Prerelease reviews weren't great and paying $470 for premium parts vs. $650 for their Haswell counterparts.
    
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post #16 of 21
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You articulated this well.

This is a tick cycle that adds almost nothing for the overclocker. This is overclock.net, after all.

If it could do 6ghz and used 15W less at idle it would be worth $250. If it struggles to achieve even 4.5ghz while adding almost no performance for $50+ more than ivy, this is a flat out fail of a product. Add to this that new socket 1150 motherboards will be expensive (as usual) at launch plus sparse HSF support, and you're lookin at $100+ more.

I think this proof of what happens to companies when they are virtual monopolies with no competition. We all suffer.

Still waiting for official jury on max overclock though....

 

 

I think that haswell will bring nice improvements to the mobile market, but right now I dont see any reasons to buy one for my desktop.

post #17 of 21
If you want an upgrade get a sb-e. If you have a sb,ivy then haswell is the same. On desktop part as a high end chip fails to deliver anything new to the market.
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post #18 of 21
The current generation of processors are already very good - more than fast enough. Perhaps it's becoming a little more difficult to get massive increases in power from traditional cpu design. I welcome the slowdown, and the focus on low power consumption is imo a great thing!
post #19 of 21
Lol we all are missing the point that newer cpus = newer mobos = more funds for that same stuff that you can get if you go sb-e water cooled or ib hybrid.
post #20 of 21
I don't seen whats the big point. I think they are priced right. Haswell is a new product, like all new products they are going to demand a premium price.


Guess people are just disappointed in haswells overclocking.
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