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Originally Posted by ThaSpacePope View Post

I own 2 3570ks and paid $200 for one and $170 for the other.

Why pay $250 for something that is no different than a $190 part that has a massive supply chain with 1155 motherboards, HSFs, etc.

Again, unless it overclocks to 6ghz on air, this is a failure part due to pricing.

AMD FX8150 was $104 yesterday at tigerdirect, just for comparison.

Haswell and Ivy use the same heatsinks.

And why pay $60 more? As I said, I can't speak to American pricing, but in the UK prices are around £10-15 higher. Which is less than an hours work, in return you get slightly higher IPC and an improved motherboard chipset. If you're building a new rig, it's pretty much a no-brainer unless you're on a very tight budget.

But you're right, if you are upgrading from IB there isn't a lot of point. Personally though I would not count Intel failing to get you to upgrade from one of their existing products within a 1 year time frame a fail. If anything it just shows how much they dominate the market.

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Originally Posted by ThaSpacePope View Post

You articulated this well.

This is a tick cycle that adds almost nothing for the overclocker. This is overclock.net, after all.

If it could do 6ghz and used 15W less at idle it would be worth $250. If it struggles to achieve even 4.5ghz while adding almost no performance for $50+ more than ivy, this is a flat out fail of a product. Add to this that new socket 1150 motherboards will be expensive (as usual) at launch plus sparse HSF support, and you're lookin at $100+ more.

I think this proof of what happens to companies when they are virtual monopolies with no competition. We all suffer.

Still waiting for official jury on max overclock though....

Sparse HSF support? You mean every 1155 HSF? Yeah, hardly any of them really...

At the end of the day Intel were focusing on mobile this time round, they hardly kept it a secret. Sure, it sucks that they don't feel the need to push the performance envelope at the moment, but then this hasn't really been marketed as a giant leap forward in performance.

It's some new instruction sets, slight IPC gains and power saving for roughly the same price. And the lower power parts will likely help Intel against ARM, although that doesn't really interest me much. It's hardly a "fail", it just isn't what you wanted. Congratulations, you are not Haswell's target demographic.
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