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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper View Post

Now you have 10-20 year old bridges staring to fail. That's what you get when everything is built as cheaply as possible.

i can't imagine anyone (here in the US) who would risk their licensure, reputation, practice or freedom to design or construct such an unsafe structure that would warrant the lower costs. 10 - 20 years?

you know, im not exactly sure where you guys got the idea that america was once an honest country that upheld quality in the highest regard, now turned to greed and motivated by highest profits. they really don't make them like they used to, and lock workers in burning buildings like they used to and open fire on union workers like they used to.
Edited by dontpwnmebro - 6/2/13 at 11:25pm
post #32 of 89
Either way, the United States is a 20th century empire struggling in the 21st century. Sure, there are a few areas such as Silicon Valley that push the envelope but the nation could certainly use a more prompt to kick in the ass.
post #33 of 89
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The London tower bridge was built in 1886–1894. I say for a 119 year old bridge its doing pretty damn well. Sure other bridges spanning the Thames have failed but they were not exactly in there primer anymore either. Stuff used to be built to last. But after 70s' the quality really started to go to hell. Now you have 10-20 year old bridges staring to fail. That's what you get when everything is built as cheaply as possible.

Most newer bridges would last just fine if they would receive proper maintenance. Can't really say why such is lacking, though.
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Yeah, or how about we use some of the billions of dollars the government wastes every year and use that to fix the bridges?

Most infrastructure in the US is cared for by the local and state governments. And they waste money too, no doubt, but probably not enough to cover the bills for this stuff.
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i can't imagine anyone (here in the US) who would risk their licensure, reputation, practice or freedom to design or construct such an unsafe structure that would warrant the lower costs. 10 - 20 years?

It depends a lot on the size of the bridge. Smaller bridges in particular have suffered in quality. Its the way of the modern world. The job is given to the cheapest contractor who in turn uses even cheaper sub contractors. A decade or two later the city has to fork over the bill to fix the poor craftsmanship. Its not that the bridges are unsafe its just that as they are built so cheaply the need more repair work sooner then the bridges of yesteryear.
    
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This is what happens when you use questionable wars to funnel a ton of your tax dollars through the military industrial complex and into the pockets of your rich overlords, instead of spending it on infrastructure. I betcha the bomb factories in the united states are shiny and new. Unless ya'll outsource gun and bomb making to china I guess.
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This is what happens when you use questionable wars to funnel a ton of your tax dollars through the military industrial complex and into the pockets of your rich overlords, instead of spending it on infrastructure. I betcha the bomb factories in the united states are shiny and new. Unless ya'll outsource gun and bomb making to china I guess.

The overwhelming majority of USA infrastructure is handled by state and local tax dollars and have nothing to do with federal military spending. Some money is provided by the federal government to cover the cost of interstate roads, but the state is responsible for the disbursement of the funds and the running of labor (very expensive labor at that.) It's like you people keep one "anti-America" round in the chamber at all times to fire off at even the slightest hint of topical overlap. It makes you sound reactionary and foolish. The USA's infrastructure is aging out faster than the cost of upkeep and it will require a massive investment much like the first one did. Even Rome had these issues, and some roads they have built are still in use. There is no grand orchestrated reason behind it all.
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post #37 of 89
I live in WA state, and I have driven over that bridge hundreds of times. The problem was not that the truck was too high, the truck was too high for the RIGHT LANE, and some a-hole in a semi was passing on the left preventing him from getting over. There was clearance on the left side of the roadway, the right side has about a foot less clearance if I remember correctly. Regardless, the thing should not have collapsed from getting clipped like that. Really shows how horrible our infrastructure is. Now if we could get our government to stop dropping trillions into the military and focus on the infrastructure instead, things might be different.

Here's a video of the bridge collapsing, you can see the semi passing through the load on the truck(it has no sides).
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The people supplying the taxes are the same whether federal, state, or municipal. If the bridges are the responsibility of the municipal level of govt that doesn't mean the federal level is absolved of any responsibility. A dollar of taxes received by the federal govt is no different then a dollar received by municipal, and Joe taxpayer doesn't care if his tax dollars are spent by a federal or a state or a municipal govt to fix the bridge.

If the municipal govt doesn't have enough money to fix the bridges it means the other levels of govt are taking too much of the tax revenue.
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The people supplying the taxes are the same whether federal, state, or municipal. If the bridges are the responsibility of the municipal level of govt that doesn't mean the federal level is absolved of any responsibility. A dollar of taxes received by the federal govt is no different then a dollar received by municipal, and Joe taxpayer doesn't care if his tax dollars are spent by a federal or a state or a municipal govt to fix the bridge.

If the municipal govt doesn't have enough money to fix the bridges it means the other levels of govt are taking too much of the tax revenue.

That, or the money is more easily embezzled. Here in Cleveland they finally started to rebuild the roads downtown, after a major inside bidding scheme for construction was uncovered. Now they're all in jail and whaddya know. I forget the names of the guilty though.
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