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Really? How many pinned apps did you have? I have about a full start screen (63 pinned, mostly games and generally rarely used programs). If I ever had to search through the start menu for those it would be waaaay slower to dig into the sub menus. Whereas every app I use right now is 2 clicks away, no scrolling or anything.

Granted, typing is usually faster, but I often prefer using the mouse.

At least 45, probably more but I'm too lazy to get an exact number, and I don't have to scroll the pinned apps list on a normal start menu either...In fact, if you have over 42 pinned programs you actually do have to scroll on Windows 8, or at least I have to on my 1080p screen, and the two clicks away thing applies for pinning to the start menu too.
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All the snide remarks aside, I honestly feel if they had just made it optional then they would have avoided this whole fiasco. Legacy and new users alike would love the OS instead of having your customer base at each others throats over a GUI.

I cant help but wonder what mind of news were missing out on since Win8 news is so easy to hate on. Though its still nice to see a chart I guess...

The funny thing is, this constant bickering about it further fuelled the argument that it wouldn't sell well before we had numbers...It just showed that the main change in Windows 8 for most people wasn't even close to universally liked.
    
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It amazes me how people hate windows 8? It is a step forward for OS.

its the same deal as with Vista. Vista really wasn't that bad. After SP1 and as long as you ran it on proper hardware it was basically just as good as Windows 7 is now, which is why everyone loves Windows 7...

the major problem with Vista and now 8 is that people perceive the change as too sudden and drastic. Windows 9 (or maybe even 8.1) will be gobbled up and revered as absolutely amazing despite being practically the same thing.
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The funny thing is, this constant bickering about it further fuelled the argument that it wouldn't sell well before we had numbers...It just showed that the main change in Windows 8 for most people wasn't even close to universally liked.

I think what is funnier is despite:

-Windows 8 being the ONLY Windows OS in recent history to be going up against an overall strong computing market where PCs are not actually required for the most common computing tasks anymore

-Hence Windows 8 being the ONLY Windows OS in recent history to be released at a time where more people are buying products/using platforms that don't use Windows to do/that can do general computing like web browsing, listening to music, playing games, using social media etc

-The fact that despite initial strong growth, even the Windows 7 era of PC growth destabilised DRAMATICALLY soon after (aka when iOS and Android began to gain momentum and tablets became a "thing").

-People being BORED of the traditional PC, paired with.....

-PCs lasting longer and longer before people need to buy new hardware.


People actually think that adding a start menu will make all of those factors disappear and every problem Windows faces so far and in the future will be solved.

People actually think that there would be as much pressure as there is on Intel/AMD to make efficient chips if they had the option to sit on their laurels.

People actually think that there would be as much pressure on OEMs like Acer who were once just budget copy cats in the market now attempting innovation out the wazoo and being praised for it, if they could keep pumping out the same boring stuff that consumers in 2013 and beyond are becoming tired with.


Would adding a start menu/making Windows 7.5 stop the whining? Yes. Probably.

Can they secure their future place in the mobile space by making Windows 7.5 or adding a start menu to Windows 8?

Is the whining actually their biggest problem? No.

Would it reverse time and change the dynamics of the computing market so that they can once again release OSs in a market where there is almost zero competition, if they added a start menu? No.

Can they potentially stop the whining while keeping pressure on the entire pc industry to keep pushing forward by simply improving i.e. 8.1/Haswell/Baytrail/Temash/New device designs? Yes.


Instead of surviving today to be crushed tomorrow by an ever growing non-Windows computing segment, they are going through the work that needs to be done now, including dragging the rest of the industry with them (because they aren't Apple and cant control marketing/retail/manufacturing/distribution), so that they can be secure tomorrow.


If not winning all of the things on the first try was ever a reason to give up on your targets, we'd have never seen Ice Cream Sandwich or Jelly Bean become the acceptable staple for mobile devices that it is today.
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I think what is funnier is despite:

-Windows 8 being the ONLY Windows OS in recent history to be going up against an overall strong computing market where PCs are not actually required for the most common computing tasks anymore

-Hence Windows 8 being the ONLY Windows OS in recent history to be released at a time where more people are buying products/using platforms that don't use Windows to do/that can do general computing like web browsing, listening to music, playing games, using social media etc

-The fact that despite initial strong growth, even the Windows 7 era of PC growth destabilised DRAMATICALLY soon after (aka when iOS and Android began to gain momentum and tablets became a "thing").

-People being BORED of the traditional PC, paired with.....

-PCs lasting longer and longer before people need to buy new hardware.


People actually think that adding a start menu will make all of those factors disappear and every problem Windows faces so far and in the future will be solved.

People actually think that there would be as much pressure as there is on Intel/AMD to make efficient chips if they had the option to sit on their laurels.

People actually think that there would be as much pressure on OEMs like Acer who were once just budget copy cats in the market now attempting innovation out the wazoo and being praised for it, if they could keep pumping out the same boring stuff that consumers in 2013 and beyond are becoming tired with.


Would adding a start menu/making Windows 7.5 stop the whining? Yes. Probably.

Would it reverse time and change the dynamics of the computing market so that they can once again release OSs in a market where there is almost zero competition? No.

Can they potentially stop the whining while keeping pressure on the entire pc industry to keep pushing forward by simply improving i.e. 8.1? Yes.

1) Really? Because it's on that damn paltform too and still selling like crap. Plus, PC sales only started going down once 8 came out...Not after the first Android tablets became popular. (And of course, by then the iPad was already popular)

2) ...It's on those platforms too...And like I said, PC sales weren't going down until Windows 8 came out. These statistics are available online with a little searching.

3) I thought Windows 8 was the "ONLY Windows OS in recent history to be going up against [tablets]"? rolleyes.gif Sales have plateaued, not stopped or slowed...Until 8 came out, there was even a 21% growth from Q1 2011 to Q1 2012, and the Galaxy Tab and iPad were out way before then. Wanna know the last time PC sales were affected like this? When Vista launched.

4) They don't really last longer, though...There's no reason to upgrade based off of performance now but that has been true for most people since Intel moved to Socket 775, meaning Vista, 7 and 8 had/have to deal with it.

You can point the blame at tablets until the cows come home, but the facts of the matter is that sales only started dropping once 8 came out and that Windows 8 is also on tablets...It's just not an appealing product to all but a select few for some damn good reasons, you have to relearn quite a bit in order to gain what amounts to a faster boot time for typical users.
Proof: Q1 2012 up 21% since Q1 2011 and Q3 2012 sales down 8% since Q3 2011.

Let me guess, tablets only started selling well when Windows 8 came out, despite Windows 8 having a 2% marketshare on tablets? rolleyes.gif

That Intel and AMD efficiency thing has absolutely nothing to do with Windows 8, the reason AMD and Intel are trying to make more efficient chips for mobile is because ARM chips are predominant there....and Windows is not doing a damn thing in the tablet market, it's 90% Android and iOS.

And if people are bored of traditional PCs and want innovation, why do all the new, innovative laptops/convertibles, etc appear sell like crap? I'm not going to bother searching for sales of models (Because I doubt that any OEM releases those) but I will say this: I've seen plenty of recent laptops being sold in the same price brackets, and the convertibles appear to be barely moving at all.
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Windows XP's still alive! #Long Live the classic! xD
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Intelligent people aren't fooled by big shiny buttons on their desktop.That's stupid people and children.

An intelligent person would just install classic start menu and enjoy the extra security and faster boot times of Windows 8.

Only a fool would cry about not being able to navigate Metro rolleyes.gif
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Man, I can't believe you guys still argue about how bad Win8 is. Stay with win7 if you don't like it, problem solved.

BTW, to those who call it a flop, the market share of Win8 after a year is barely lower than windows 7's at the same point in time (1 year after release). So yeah, far from being a flop. Now vista on the other hand biggrin.gif

I've gotten used to it. I still don't like the search option, but besides that, it rocks. That snap left/right is really cool smile.gif
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An intelligent person would just install classic start menu and enjoy the extra security and faster boot times of Windows 8.

People really need to stop using the "security" claim for any version of Windows. Windows architecture is inherently unsecure in the first place. Just because a new patch or version is more secure than the last doesn't mean you can argue that it's secure.
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Well - that is not surprising. The tables are not selling that well bcos of the price and its just not an desktop OP system. I have used it for 6 months, know the shortcuts, Start8 addon, etc but I am going back to Win 7 today. The few positives Win8 have are not enough to be worth it to endure the things that annoy me with it.

Surprising XP market share in that survey, according to Steam hardware survey XP should be a bit less than 8 by now - http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey Granted Steam surveys only computers with Steam on them and most likely big corporations are not running Steam on their boxes whose only purpose is to use some properiaty in-house developed program which happens to be aonly compatible with XP.
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At least 45, probably more but I'm too lazy to get an exact number, and I don't have to scroll the pinned apps list on a normal start menu either...In fact, if you have over 42 pinned programs you actually do have to scroll on Windows 8, or at least I have to on my 1080p screen, and the two clicks away thing applies for pinning to the start menu too.
I have 63 with two free spots on1080p. How many groups? I only have 3 which may do it.

And yes, that's the point both start screen and menu nb are two clicks, so why is the former worse?
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