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Windows 8 wasn't a huge success at launch, but those who think that signals trouble for Microsoft's widely used OS should consider its history. The fact is, users hardly ever warmed to a new Windows product. It would typically take a fairly long getting-to-know-you period -- and a point release or two -- to determine whether it would stick. And versions that did -- like XP -- really stuck.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/78173.html
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A os made for touchscreen does not work for desktop computing. Simple as that.
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1) Really? Because it's on that damn paltform too and still selling like crap. Plus, PC sales only started going down once 8 came out...Not after the first Android tablets became popular. (And of course, by then the iPad was already popular).

Uh, news to me that PC sales just started to decline in October 2012...
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Uh, news to me that PC sales just started to decline in October 2012...

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An intelligent person would just install classic start menu and enjoy the extra security and faster boot times of Windows 8.

Only a fool would cry about not being able to navigate Metro rolleyes.gif

I am fairly intelligent, and I did just that...Honestly, if I hadn't gotten WIndows 8 for free and it wasn't time for a reformat anyway, there's no point in going from 7, especially if you have an SSD. The security features don't mean much to most users here (If you run an AV, Adblock, Firewall, etc then I doubt most of us power users would really have to worry, although it is a boon for normal users) and the boot times are barely any faster than 7 when you compare both OS' after being slimmed down and on an SSD.
Plus, with security...You can polish a turd all you like.
Honestly, those arguments also apply to going to Linux...It boots faster than 8 or 7 does for me and is more secure than WIndows 8 could ever hope to be.
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BTW, to those who call it a flop, the market share of Win8 after a year is barely lower than windows 7's at the same point in time (1 year after release). So yeah, far from being a flop. Now vista on the other hand biggrin.gif

TIL, ~15.7% is equal to 5.2%. (At best)

Yeah, how about you actually fact check before you post?
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I have 63 with two free spots on1080p. How many groups? I only have 3 which may do it.

And yes, that's the point both start screen and menu nb are two clicks, so why is the former worse?

Lack of jumplists, I can go straight into a previously opened document or spreadsheet with ClassicShell or 7, not so much with 8 unless I pin it to the taskbar.
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Originally Posted by hatlesschimp View Post

Windows 8 sales wont slow down as long as people want to buy a new laptop or pc. It comes with the system. But the stats i would like to know is how many people are buying the OS by its self and installing onto their PC's. Then compare that to windows 7.

Actually, people respond by not buying PCs for a while...Happened with Vista and is now happening with 8.
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PC sales are slumping. Two reasons. Most of the people don't feel the need to upgrade, they get enough out of their current system. But for the 1/3 that want to upgrade, they have nothing usable to upgrade to. Just go into any place selling windows 8 pc's, watch people use and play with them. You will start to see where you need a good inviting UI to get people to use it. Now watch them move to apple. You will see the whole position change.

That need to upgrade thing has applied since 2005, at least. There's plenty of people who have only replaced PCs when necessary since then (Hence why so many P4s are still in service) and sales only slumped right before 8 came out, they were up 1.9% vs the year before in Q1 2012, slumped a little in Q2 (Normal before a new Windows release) but then continued slumping in Q3 and beyond. (When did that happen last? Vista.)
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The core desktop is identical. They changed the launcher. That's all. All you haters seem to be good at doing is exaggerating to get your point across. Either that or you have yet to use Windows 8.

Wait, I didn't know Ribbon was in 7?
Generally, if you're going to call people out on not knowing something..Make sure you know what you're talking about first. There's also other minor changes to the desktop (eg. Multi-monitor taskbars) but since that's all configurable, no-one should complain.
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Uh, news to me that PC sales just started to decline in October 2012...

They started to decline in Q2, however that's normal before a Windows release.
Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments Grew 1.9 Percent in First Quarter of 2012
Q4 2011 dropped 1%, but considering we had a HDD shortage due to flooding in October 2011...well, that more than explains a 1% drop in sales.

The whole "PostPC" thing is complete and utter crap, why?
  • People haven't been upgrading unless their PC dies since the Pentium 4, meaning the whole "People don't upgrade as often" thing also applied to Vista and 7...Not to mention, planned obsolescence. (And the fact that a good HDD from 1980 lasted 20-30 years, not quite as common these days with all the ~5-10 year deaths from more recent models, eh?)
  • Tablets don't replace PCs for most people, most people will always need a physical keyboard to type stuff and probably don't know you can connect a bluetooth one to the tablet.
  • The whole "Desktops are dead!" thing has been done so many times...Remember when laptops were meant to kill them off? Yet, they're not even pushing a 30% marketshare today.
  • Tablets as we know them today were out in 2010 and certainly taking off in 2011 (I believe sales outstripped PCs that year for the first time) yet sales didn't actually start dropping until the normal pre-Windows slump...Then they continued. Obviously there's more factors to that, but once VIsta started getting popular guess what happened...PC sales growth slowed, hence why OEMs started offering XP in place of Vista.
    
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Wait, I didn't know Ribbon was in 7?
Generally, if you're going to call people out on not knowing something..Make sure you know what you're talking about first. There's also other minor changes to the desktop (eg. Multi-monitor taskbars) but since that's all configurable, no-one should complain.
The ribbon in Windows Explorer is one of my favorite enhancements in Windows 8. It places many commonly used settings that were once buried in dialog boxes and menus just a click away. That, combined with the new power menu accessed by Win+X, make Windows 8 a fantastic upgrade for a power user.
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Another one of these threads. I'll say what I have always said. Windows 8 is the best OS available. MS was just too stubborn not to make start menu optional. not that it was a problem for me. I like everything new about Win 8. And Lets not forget a lot of business have no reason to go to Win 8 and a lot are still stuck on XP.

Oh and decline PC sales.
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Yes a step forward in the wrong direction, windows 8 was a flop and really there is no denying that.

the entire PC industry is in decline, no Windows OS is going to change that
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the entire PC industry is in decline, no Windows OS is going to change that

That's not the reason for bad Windows 8 adoption. You know what is? Media. Media that has no bloody clue what they are talking about. Ever since launch I have been incredibly disappointed by the way the community received the new OS. Especially OCN. I honestly expected a much more mature reception from OCN. I was under the impression that we're not sheep that follow the media response around, yet apparently we are. Windows 8 in fact simplifies and increases productivity. Apps and programs are streamlined more than ever. You literally have big tiles for the most important things you use. The amount of customization you are offered in the start menu is unmatched by anything Microsoft has ever offered before. Swipe gestures and mechanics introduced are simple. The only complaint anyone can make is that it's not intuitive and there is a bit of learning curve. I've been on Windows 8 for around two months now and I can honestly say that while I came at it in a wrong way(a negative OCN type because I thought the community had a point) but I very quickly discovered at how much superior Microsoft 8 can be. Especially due to the customization of the Start menu and the new search function.

Screw CNET. Screw Engadget, Vergee, everything else that gave Windows 8 a stupid review because they didn't "like" it. Exactly why we can't trust review sites these days. Too biased and too obsessed with view counts.
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That's not the reason for bad Windows 8 adoption. You know what is? Media. Media that has no bloody clue what they are talking about. Ever since launch I have been incredibly disappointed by the way the community received the new OS. Especially OCN. I honestly expected a much more mature reception from OCN. I was under the impression that we're not sheep that follow the media response around, yet apparently we are. Windows 8 in fact simplifies and increases productivity. Apps and programs are streamlined more than ever. You literally have big tiles for the most important things you use. The amount of customization you are offered in the start menu is unmatched by anything Microsoft has ever offered before. Swipe gestures and mechanics introduced are simple. The only complaint anyone can make is that it's not intuitive and there is a bit of learning curve. I've been on Windows 8 for around two months now and I can honestly say that while I came at it in a wrong way(a negative OCN type because I thought the community had a point) but I very quickly discovered at how much superior Microsoft 8 can be. Especially due to the customization of the Start menu and the new search function.

Screw CNET. Screw Engadget, Vergee, everything else that gave Windows 8 a stupid review because they didn't "like" it. Exactly why we can't trust review sites these days. Too biased and too obsessed with view counts.

That my friend is an opinion

my opinion is that W8 is a disgusting mess....

we can only measure the "amount of opinions"....and the result is that the majority dislike W8
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