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The majority that haven't bought it haven't used it properly and aren't qualified to express a proper opinion either way.

It is not up to users to spend enough time to form a "qualified" opinion. The thing that matters is the FIRST IMPRESSION the new UI gives and whether or not it can CONVINCE customer's to use this new UI. The onus is on MS to convince us this Metro/Modern UI is worth using. The only opinion that matters for a new OS release is whether or not the consumers like it enough to buy and thus far, the answer is a resounding no.
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The majority that haven't bought it haven't used it properly and aren't qualified to express a proper opinion either way.

It is not up to users to spend enough time to form a "qualified" opinion. The thing that matters is the FIRST IMPRESSION the new UI gives and whether or not it can CONVINCE customer's to use this new UI. The onus is on MS to convince us this Metro/Modern UI is worth using. The only opinion that matters for a new OS release is whether or not the consumers like it enough to buy and thus far, the answer is a resounding no from some enthusiasts.
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It is not up to users to spend enough time to form a "qualified" opinion. The thing that matters is the FIRST IMPRESSION the new UI gives and whether or not it can CONVINCE customer's to use this new UI. The onus is on MS to convince us this Metro/Modern UI is worth using. The only opinion that matters for a new OS release is whether or not the consumers like it enough to buy and thus far, the answer is a resounding no.

And many people are basing their first impressions off of the media hate, and go into Windows 8 with the expectation of hating it and unconsciously looking for flaws to hate it. how is that a fair criticism/opinion? How many times have people come in here expressing their misinformed hate, only to be shown that they were wrong? I'm talking about factually wrong, not opinionated wrong.
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Isn't it only 15$? I got it for free from my Uni, but I find that the time I spend on learning the shortcuts does pay off. That said, if Windows 8 is intergrated and recieved better, then it'll just naturally take over the eco system. We all had to learn how to use Windows 7 and it's many shortcuts at one point. Hell, most users don't even use hotkeys. I feel Windows 8 encourages Hotkey usage without being intrusive about it. Now I realize that the UI is not everyone's cup of tea. I realize that many don't like change and simply want free massive updates that slims down and make the OS more efficient and secure. I really feel that Windows 8 offers a lot over it's predecessor to warrant the upgrade. If others don't agree, that's fine but It's not like anyone is forcing Windows 8 on anyone. WIndows 7 is still available and I'm pretty sure that many boutiques probably even offer it as the stock OS.

The cost of Windows 8 is about $80 USD for an upgrade/OEM copy now unless you are in the small number that can get university, employer, or partner discounts. The question I always ask of people who are OK with, or even like, Windows 8 is, "Would you pay $80 for an application that added the Start Screen functionality to Windows 7?" The overwhelming answer is no.

Of course if you are in the know about it, you will know that there are some security enhancements in Windows 8, but really that is it. I've observed that that the boot time will be noticeably faster on Windows 8 off of a HDD, but if you got Windows 7 and 8 on SSDs the difference is so tiny that you will be talking a second or two at the most. Unless you consider the new App store or the new task manager awesome features...there is nothing else that is much of a change. The price tag is just not worth it. XP to Vista/7 was an amazing upgrade...Vista/7 to Windows 8...you just don't gain much and depending on your personal likes you may be getting a downgrade.

The only thing I don't like is that I have to organize my own Start Screen...I don't think I ever edited a Start Menu in earlier version of Windows...if I did it was just one thing here and there. Other than that...I kind of like it, but then I am a hot key fanatic and I like the new search function looking at everything, but it would nice if I didn't have to touch my mouse to change between search result types. However, I got it free via my employer's MSDN account. No way would have paid even $15 for it...not even a penny. In fact the next time I format my system drive I will probably just go back to 7 since I don't find Windows 8 to even be worth the extra few minutes of setup time (though I don't know if that is true...I have a system image and snap shots of my Windows 8 all setup with all my usual software...so it isn't hard to put it on again.)
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And many people are basing their first impressions off of the media hate, and go into Windows 8 with the expectation of hating it and unconsciously looking for flaws to hate it. how is that a fair criticism/opinion? How many times have people come in here expressing their misinformed hate, only to be shown that they were wrong? I'm talking about factually wrong, not opinionated wrong.

Unless I died last night and woke up in a world where all men are angels, nothing is "fair" in life, especially when it comes to business and media. It still does not change the fact however that it is entirely on MS to convince consumers to use their OS's new UI. It is up to MS to convince and then educate. This could have easily been a non-issue for MS as long as they simply made the UI an option, but they chose the hard headed route of trying to force everyone into the new UI instead by making it mandatory for W8.
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Opinion does not need qualifications. Even something as simple as "I dont like the way it looks" is a proper opinion.

Actually, I disagree with that. Uninformed and uneducated opinions spread stupidity and idiocy, and should be pointed out as such so people can be aware that they should not make any decisions based off of such "opinions".

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

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To be fair people are fully entitled to their own ignorance, they just shouldn't expect anybody to thank them for it.
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To be fair people are fully entitled to their own ignorance, they just shouldn't expect anybody to thank them for it.
I have some views that many people would find very controversial. Democracy, for example. Say you are on trial for a crime you didn't commit, and you have rock solid proof clearing you of the crime. But, assume it (the proof) is complicated in nature, and a jury is unable to understand it and finds you guilty. Things like that should never happen, nothing should ever be in the hands of common people like that. The same thing applies to the vote.

I think everybody would agree that there is a wide range of intelligence levels among the human population. And that in fact, people who are not as intelligent likely outnumber the extremely intelligent people. Yet, in a democracy, the vote of an unintelligent person carries the same weight as that of an intelligent person. Realizing then that unintelligent people and people of average intelligence outnumber people of extreme intelligence, you can see the problem that arises.

I have given this a lot of thought, and while there are downsides to systems that weight differently the votes and opinions of people based on intelligence, I firmly believe they outweigh the downsides of a democracy.
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It is not up to users to spend enough time to form a "qualified" opinion. The thing that matters is the FIRST IMPRESSION the new UI gives and whether or not it can CONVINCE customer's to use this new UI. The onus is on MS to convince us this Metro/Modern UI is worth using. The only opinion that matters for a new OS release is whether or not the consumers like it enough to buy and thus far, the answer is a resounding no.

nah, most people here that "hate" windows 8 is actually just riding the "hate bandwagon" because it's cool to be a part of a group. same thing with apple haters, beiber haters and fans, most of them are just "bandwagoneers"
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nah, most people that "hate" windows 8 is actually just riding the "hate bandwagon" because it's cool to be a part of a group. same thing with apple haters, beiber haters and fans, most of them are just "bandwagoneers"

As a Windows 8 fan.

That's total bull.

There are a lot of legitimate reasons that people have to dislike Windows 8. Unfamiliarity is one of them; and it's perfectly valid, and has a hilariously cute name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)#Baby_duck_syndrome
 
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